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	<title>Comments on: Prologue: Why I Went To &#8220;Love Won Out&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: A Homophobic Doubleheader &#171; Chimaera</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/02/12/220/comment-page-1#comment-57745</link>
		<dc:creator>A Homophobic Doubleheader &#171; Chimaera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] By the way, the people there mostly aren&#8217;t intolerant of your opinion. They&#8217;re intolerant of your desire to make everyone conform to your opinion, or in other words, they&#8217;re intolerant of your intolerance.  Also, congratulations on being less considerate and open-minded than this gay man who attended Love Won Out. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] By the way, the people there mostly aren&#8217;t intolerant of your opinion. They&#8217;re intolerant of your desire to make everyone conform to your opinion, or in other words, they&#8217;re intolerant of your intolerance.  Also, congratulations on being less considerate and open-minded than this gay man who attended Love Won Out. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/02/12/220/comment-page-1#comment-36842</link>
		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you say homo &quot;impulses and compulsiveness&quot;...I&#039;m a little confused.  Are you saying hetero is impulses and compulsiveness too?  

Don&#039;t confuse homosexuality as an adjunct to heterosexuality.  Homosexuality not a subset of heterosexuality nor is it a variation.  It&#039;s as distinct as heterosexuality.   

In other words, would you say we can REDUCE you of your heterosexuality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you say homo &#8220;impulses and compulsiveness&#8221;&#8230;I&#8217;m a little confused.  Are you saying hetero is impulses and compulsiveness too?  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t confuse homosexuality as an adjunct to heterosexuality.  Homosexuality not a subset of heterosexuality nor is it a variation.  It&#8217;s as distinct as heterosexuality.   </p>
<p>In other words, would you say we can REDUCE you of your heterosexuality?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Gamble</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/02/12/220/comment-page-1#comment-36819</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Gamble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an American from Boston, Scotch-Irish background, who has (still to my surprise) become a publisher in Poland.  A conservative, but, I hope, tolerant Christian.  I&#039;m now involved in starting a Polish version of Alan Medinger&#039;s &quot;New Directions&quot; course. (&quot;Regeneration&quot;).  
   MANY thanks for your wise and sympathetic report.  
   I&#039;ve sponsored the publication in Polish of Dr. Nicolosi&#039;s book &quot;Reparative Therapy for the Male Homosexual&quot;, and have been to a workshop he led in Berlin.  He wrote an introduction to the Polish edition, incorporating much of my suggestion.  
   Interestingly, he seems willing to back away from the &quot;all&quot;, &quot;always&quot;.  He was willing to say that if there&#039;s not a positive reaction to the ideas of &quot;reparative therapy&quot;, then &quot;gay affirmaative therapy&quot; would be appropriate.  He notes that his book may give better understanding to parents, wives and others, but attempts to push reparative therapy onto someone who doesn&#039;t want it will backfire.  
   I found I had a role in Poland some 20 years ago, helping contact between very new Alcoholics Anonymous here and mature AA in America which I knew as a pastor.  (&quot;Overeaters Anonymous&quot; is for me.)  I&#039;m nervous and a little lost with the SSA issue, but feel that there should be help for those individuals who want it.  There are many, and there have been successes.
   From the AA model, I find myself explaining, - success isn&#039;t a &quot;switch&quot; from homo to hetero.  Building an internal gender identity REDUCES the homo impullses and compulsiveness, and allows access to the body&#039;s natural heterosexuality.  More in line with Chambers, whom you compliment for honesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an American from Boston, Scotch-Irish background, who has (still to my surprise) become a publisher in Poland.  A conservative, but, I hope, tolerant Christian.  I&#8217;m now involved in starting a Polish version of Alan Medinger&#8217;s &#8220;New Directions&#8221; course. (&#8221;Regeneration&#8221;).<br />
   MANY thanks for your wise and sympathetic report.<br />
   I&#8217;ve sponsored the publication in Polish of Dr. Nicolosi&#8217;s book &#8220;Reparative Therapy for the Male Homosexual&#8221;, and have been to a workshop he led in Berlin.  He wrote an introduction to the Polish edition, incorporating much of my suggestion.<br />
   Interestingly, he seems willing to back away from the &#8220;all&#8221;, &#8220;always&#8221;.  He was willing to say that if there&#8217;s not a positive reaction to the ideas of &#8220;reparative therapy&#8221;, then &#8220;gay affirmaative therapy&#8221; would be appropriate.  He notes that his book may give better understanding to parents, wives and others, but attempts to push reparative therapy onto someone who doesn&#8217;t want it will backfire.<br />
   I found I had a role in Poland some 20 years ago, helping contact between very new Alcoholics Anonymous here and mature AA in America which I knew as a pastor.  (&#8221;Overeaters Anonymous&#8221; is for me.)  I&#8217;m nervous and a little lost with the SSA issue, but feel that there should be help for those individuals who want it.  There are many, and there have been successes.<br />
   From the AA model, I find myself explaining, &#8211; success isn&#8217;t a &#8220;switch&#8221; from homo to hetero.  Building an internal gender identity REDUCES the homo impullses and compulsiveness, and allows access to the body&#8217;s natural heterosexuality.  More in line with Chambers, whom you compliment for honesty.</p>
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		<title>By: Speaking out about the Ex-Gay Movement &#171; Peterson Toscano&#8217;s A Musing</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/02/12/220/comment-page-1#comment-34105</link>
		<dc:creator>Speaking out about the Ex-Gay Movement &#171; Peterson Toscano&#8217;s A Musing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] light and answers and sadly walk away misinformed and frightened. You can read Jim Burroway&#8217;s thoughtful eyewitness account of Love Won Out to find out some of what happens and what is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Focus on the Family or the Homosexual? &#171; Peterson Toscano&#8217;s A Musing</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/02/12/220/comment-page-1#comment-19483</link>
		<dc:creator>Focus on the Family or the Homosexual? &#171; Peterson Toscano&#8217;s A Musing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and that the parents are somehow to blame for raising a homosexual. (See Jim Burroway&#8217;s series of articles and videos about the Love Won Out he attended in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Speaking Up about Love Won Out &#171; Peterson Toscano&#8217;s A Musing</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/02/12/220/comment-page-1#comment-19299</link>
		<dc:creator>Speaking Up about Love Won Out &#171; Peterson Toscano&#8217;s A Musing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of &#8216;change&#8217; in orientation. They have softened their language over the years, but from recent eyewitness accounts, their out of focus message continues to misinform people looking for real [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of &#8216;change&#8217; in orientation. They have softened their language over the years, but from recent eyewitness accounts, their out of focus message continues to misinform people looking for real [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/02/12/220/comment-page-1#comment-13013</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The parents who go to these conferences are only going because they hate who and what their kid’s sexuality is.  Perhaps not the kids themselves, but it&#039;s still hate no matter how you look at it.  If they really want an explanation and love their kids why not go to a PFlag meeting instead?  But they didn&#039;t.  Instead they went to people who promised them another explanation and way to fix their broken kids. Still sounds like hate to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The parents who go to these conferences are only going because they hate who and what their kid’s sexuality is.  Perhaps not the kids themselves, but it&#8217;s still hate no matter how you look at it.  If they really want an explanation and love their kids why not go to a PFlag meeting instead?  But they didn&#8217;t.  Instead they went to people who promised them another explanation and way to fix their broken kids. Still sounds like hate to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/02/12/220/comment-page-1#comment-12250</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please re-read what I wrote. When I said &quot;it&#039;s not about hate&quot;, I was speaking about the parents who attend Love Won Out. They were the only people I cared about while I was there, and they were the only people I spoke to. I &lt;em&gt;firmly&lt;/em&gt; stand by that conclusion.

 I&#039;ll leave the readers to draw their own conclusions about the people who organize and conduct these conferences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please re-read what I wrote. When I said &#8220;it&#8217;s not about hate&#8221;, I was speaking about the parents who attend Love Won Out. They were the only people I cared about while I was there, and they were the only people I spoke to. I <em>firmly</em> stand by that conclusion.</p>
<p> I&#8217;ll leave the readers to draw their own conclusions about the people who organize and conduct these conferences.</p>
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		<title>By: keith edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/02/12/220/comment-page-1#comment-12248</link>
		<dc:creator>keith edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read Jim Burroway&#039;s essay on his trip to, &quot;love won out.&quot;  I cannot believe he thinks its not about hate.  After what these liars told these parents, friends, etc to make them feel it&#039;s all their fault, their children had been molested, etc.  That is all false B.S.  And lies either spread or build on hate.  I have had my own interactions with these people.  Don&#039;t delude yourself Jim.  These people want us dead rather than as some have put it to me, &quot;suffer and live in sin.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read Jim Burroway&#8217;s essay on his trip to, &#8220;love won out.&#8221;  I cannot believe he thinks its not about hate.  After what these liars told these parents, friends, etc to make them feel it&#8217;s all their fault, their children had been molested, etc.  That is all false B.S.  And lies either spread or build on hate.  I have had my own interactions with these people.  Don&#8217;t delude yourself Jim.  These people want us dead rather than as some have put it to me, &#8220;suffer and live in sin.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Love Won Out Indianapolis: General Impressions &#171; Disputed Mutability</title>
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		<dc:creator>Love Won Out Indianapolis: General Impressions &#171; Disputed Mutability</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 90+% in agreement with, check out Eve Tushnet here for a chaste queer perspective or Jim Burroway here for a not-so-chaste queer perspective.  (Jim also has podcasts and YouTube video on his take on [...]</description>
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