Comments on: “Love Won Out”: A Pause http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/03/23/257 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:56:31 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Lynn David http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/03/23/257/comment-page-1#comment-391 Lynn David Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:55:46 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/03/23/257#comment-391 Forgot to mention that the other FAQ in the "change" vein: <a href="http://exodus.to/content/view/44/87/" rel="nofollow">How does a homosexual person change?</a> [http://exodus.to/content/view/44/87/]; which appears to be empty - although it is the third most viewed FAQ. Perhaps it is "Under Construction" - being changed itself? Or perhaps they haven't a clue? This all goes back to the yearly 400,000 contacts which Alan Chambers says Exodus gets (re: <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/03/22/exodus-makes-public-statement-regarding-richard-cohen/#comment-16953" rel="nofollow">Timothy Kincaid's comment</a> on Throckmorton's blog). So I wonder what the demographic of those contacts are. My suspicion is that most are non-gay relatives or friends of the person in question. So it comes down to whom Exodus is primarily speaking. Forgot to mention that the other FAQ in the “change” vein: How does a homosexual person change? [http://exodus.to/content/view/44/87/]; which appears to be empty – although it is the third most viewed FAQ. Perhaps it is “Under Construction” – being changed itself? Or perhaps they haven’t a clue?

This all goes back to the yearly 400,000 contacts which Alan Chambers says Exodus gets (re: Timothy Kincaid’s comment on Throckmorton’s blog). So I wonder what the demographic of those contacts are. My suspicion is that most are non-gay relatives or friends of the person in question. So it comes down to whom Exodus is primarily speaking.

]]> By: Lynn David http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/03/23/257/comment-page-1#comment-390 Lynn David Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:42:51 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/03/23/257#comment-390 Jim.... just a thought for when you do publish the next post in the series. I imagine you have read the Exodus FAQ; could you apply what you found in "Love Won Out" to the two Exodus FAQs: <a href="http://exodus.to/content/view/49/87/" rel="nofollow">What can I do to make a gay person change?</a> [http://exodus.to/content/view/49/87/] and <a href="http://exodus.to/content/view/43/87/" rel="nofollow">What's your "success rate" in changing gays into straights?</a> [http://exodus.to/content/view/43/87/]? It seems to me that "Love Won Out" speaks mostly to the parents, other relatives, and ministers of gay folk. Am I wrong in that idea, that most attendees are Parents & Friends Of Hopeful eX-gays (ie. PFOHX)? Then there are items such as what the second FAQ says, <i>"Studies suggesting change rates in the range of 30-50% are not unusual, although "success rates" vary considerably and the measurement of change is problematic."</i> Do they mention that the subject must be "highly motivated" to effect any "change" and even that is may be no indication of success? Whatever "success" means; hey, maybe "success" should be what is discussed and not change - though maybe they are the same thing. Jim…. just a thought for when you do publish the next post in the series. I imagine you have read the Exodus FAQ; could you apply what you found in “Love Won Out” to the two Exodus FAQs: What can I do to make a gay person change? [http://exodus.to/content/view/49/87/] and What’s your “success rate” in changing gays into straights? [http://exodus.to/content/view/43/87/]? It seems to me that “Love Won Out” speaks mostly to the parents, other relatives, and ministers of gay folk. Am I wrong in that idea, that most attendees are Parents & Friends Of Hopeful eX-gays (ie. PFOHX)? Then there are items such as what the second FAQ says, “Studies suggesting change rates in the range of 30-50% are not unusual, although “success rates” vary considerably and the measurement of change is problematic.” Do they mention that the subject must be “highly motivated” to effect any “change” and even that is may be no indication of success? Whatever “success” means; hey, maybe “success” should be what is discussed and not change – though maybe they are the same thing.

]]> By: AlexM http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/03/23/257/comment-page-1#comment-389 AlexM Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:14:30 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/03/23/257#comment-389 I've been really enjoying the series so far, and appreciate how thorough and fair-minded you have been about getting the full picture across. So, just worry about keeping up the good job, and we won't quibble about how long it's taking. :-) - Alex I’ve been really enjoying the series so far, and appreciate how thorough and fair-minded you have been about getting the full picture across. So, just worry about keeping up the good job, and we won’t quibble about how long it’s taking. :-)

- Alex

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