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	<title>Comments on: Alan Chambers on &#8220;Biology&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/06/19/458/comment-page-1#comment-734</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quo,

I already covered that ground &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/01/25/197&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in this article&lt;/a&gt;.  More specifically, all of the factors, whether they be biological, environmental, childhood experiences, genetics, etc., are as individual as the particular individual. It&#039;s impossible to generalize. 

But more importantly, and this was the whole point of the article that I refer you to, I believe it is a false debate. Our rights and our standing in society are not dependent on whether we are born gay or made gay. Please read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/01/25/197&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in All We, Like Sheep?&lt;/a&gt; for a more complete explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quo,</p>
<p>I already covered that ground <a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/01/25/197" rel="nofollow" class="articleLink">in this article</a>.  More specifically, all of the factors, whether they be biological, environmental, childhood experiences, genetics, etc., are as individual as the particular individual. It&#8217;s impossible to generalize. </p>
<p>But more importantly, and this was the whole point of the article that I refer you to, I believe it is a false debate. Our rights and our standing in society are not dependent on whether we are born gay or made gay. Please read <a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/01/25/197" rel="nofollow" class="articleLink">in All We, Like Sheep?</a> for a more complete explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: quo</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/06/19/458/comment-page-1#comment-719</link>
		<dc:creator>quo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, if you don&#039;t think that sexual orientation is purely biological, then specifically which other factors do you think are involved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, if you don&#8217;t think that sexual orientation is purely biological, then specifically which other factors do you think are involved?</p>
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		<title>By: Emproph</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/06/19/458/comment-page-1#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>Emproph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Quo said:

I note that no one seems to be anticipating the possibility that the day may come when the evidence that homosexuality isn’t determined purely by biological factors will become too hard to ignore. If that happens, will gay activists change their minds and decide that religious conservatives were right all along?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Absolutely.

At the precise moment absence of evidence is officially determined I will formally announce to the world that I DO NOT EXIST.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Quo said:</p>
<p>I note that no one seems to be anticipating the possibility that the day may come when the evidence that homosexuality isn’t determined purely by biological factors will become too hard to ignore. If that happens, will gay activists change their minds and decide that religious conservatives were right all along?</p></blockquote>
<p>Absolutely.</p>
<p>At the precise moment absence of evidence is officially determined I will formally announce to the world that I DO NOT EXIST.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/06/19/458/comment-page-1#comment-693</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, quo, I do believe that the best evidence suggests that homosexuality isn&#039;t necessarily determined &lt;em&gt;purely&lt;/em&gt; by biological factors. That is, in fact, what the best research suggests. And no, I don&#039;t believe that it means that religious conservatives were right all along.

Many of you probably missed it, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/01/25/197&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I wrote about that possibility last January&lt;/a&gt; back when this site&#039;s readership was much smaller. Maybe I should reprise that post again sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, quo, I do believe that the best evidence suggests that homosexuality isn&#8217;t necessarily determined <em>purely</em> by biological factors. That is, in fact, what the best research suggests. And no, I don&#8217;t believe that it means that religious conservatives were right all along.</p>
<p>Many of you probably missed it, but <a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/01/25/197" rel="nofollow" class="articleLink">I wrote about that possibility last January</a> back when this site&#8217;s readership was much smaller. Maybe I should reprise that post again sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/06/19/458/comment-page-1#comment-692</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I note that no one seems to be anticipating the possibility that the day may come when the evidence that homosexuality isn’t determined purely by biological factors will become too hard to ignore. If that happens, will gay activists change their minds and decide that religious conservatives were right all along?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
We don&#039;t have to wait for a hypothetical future about this because this is what the best research is saying &lt;i&gt;right now&lt;/i&gt;.  My personal answer would depend upon whether you were asking about moral or civil concerns.  The former is the purview of religious belief while the latter is not.  It is the latter that I am interested in regardless for homosexuality has not been shown to be pathological or detrimental to society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I note that no one seems to be anticipating the possibility that the day may come when the evidence that homosexuality isn’t determined purely by biological factors will become too hard to ignore. If that happens, will gay activists change their minds and decide that religious conservatives were right all along?</p></blockquote>
<p>We don&#8217;t have to wait for a hypothetical future about this because this is what the best research is saying <i>right now</i>.  My personal answer would depend upon whether you were asking about moral or civil concerns.  The former is the purview of religious belief while the latter is not.  It is the latter that I am interested in regardless for homosexuality has not been shown to be pathological or detrimental to society.</p>
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		<title>By: quo</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/06/19/458/comment-page-1#comment-690</link>
		<dc:creator>quo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I note that no one seems to be anticipating the possibility that the day may come when the evidence that homosexuality isn&#039;t determined purely by biological factors will become too hard to ignore. If that happens, will gay activists change their minds and decide that religious conservatives were right all along?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note that no one seems to be anticipating the possibility that the day may come when the evidence that homosexuality isn&#8217;t determined purely by biological factors will become too hard to ignore. If that happens, will gay activists change their minds and decide that religious conservatives were right all along?</p>
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		<title>By: Emproph</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/06/19/458/comment-page-1#comment-689</link>
		<dc:creator>Emproph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;In Alan Chambers’s 2006 book, God’s Grace and the Homosexual Next Door&quot;:

&lt;b&gt;&quot;Would that mean that genetic predispositions to behavior are the sole determinant of behavior?&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/I&gt;

My desire to love and be loved, INCLUDING physically and sexually is reduced to &quot;behavior&quot; alone. A strawman setup for the following:

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;For instance, there is reportedly a genetic link to alcoholism. Yet people overcome that battle every day. I know many men and women who once were in bondage to alcohol and now live in freedom from that addiction. The same with drugs, lying, stealing, you name it.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Now it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;easy&lt;/i&gt; to see how my &lt;b&gt;human&lt;/b&gt; desire to love and be loved is equal to abusing my body and intentionally harming others.

-Spoken like a true moral relativist. I wonder if there&#039;s a &quot;genetic predisposition&quot; for that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;In Alan Chambers’s 2006 book, God’s Grace and the Homosexual Next Door&#8221;:</p>
<p><b>&#8220;Would that mean that genetic predispositions to behavior are the sole determinant of behavior?&#8221;</b></i></p>
<p>My desire to love and be loved, INCLUDING physically and sexually is reduced to &#8220;behavior&#8221; alone. A strawman setup for the following:</p>
<p><i><b>For instance, there is reportedly a genetic link to alcoholism. Yet people overcome that battle every day. I know many men and women who once were in bondage to alcohol and now live in freedom from that addiction. The same with drugs, lying, stealing, you name it.&#8221;</b></i></p>
<p>Now it&#8217;s <i>easy</i> to see how my <b>human</b> desire to love and be loved is equal to abusing my body and intentionally harming others.</p>
<p>-Spoken like a true moral relativist. I wonder if there&#8217;s a &#8220;genetic predisposition&#8221; for that?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Garrett</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/06/19/458/comment-page-1#comment-687</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It has always been naive to think that discovering a “gay gene” or other biological explanations would suddenly bring all the debates to an end.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve been saying this for years: nobody doubts that race is genetic and hereditary and that hasn&#039;t made the slightest impact on racism, nor softened a single racist&#039;s heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It has always been naive to think that discovering a “gay gene” or other biological explanations would suddenly bring all the debates to an end.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been saying this for years: nobody doubts that race is genetic and hereditary and that hasn&#8217;t made the slightest impact on racism, nor softened a single racist&#8217;s heart.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/06/19/458/comment-page-1#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not changing their minds that is a concern.  They know perfectly well that if a &quot;gay gene&quot; were found that public sentiment would shift in support of gays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not changing their minds that is a concern.  They know perfectly well that if a &#8220;gay gene&#8221; were found that public sentiment would shift in support of gays.</p>
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