Comments on: Exodus to Ex-Gay Survivors: I’m Just Not That Into You

By: Ex-Gay Watch » Prodigal Sons: Exodus Ex-Gays Shun the Survivors

Ex-Gay Watch » Prodigal Sons: Exodus Ex-Gays Shun the Survivors — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:17:28 +0000

[...] Exodus’ own admission, ex-gay “therapies” either don’t work or cause further harm for more than 70 percent of participants. So if there are “thousands” of ex-gays who [...]

By: PW

PW — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 04:19:08 +0000

Lynelle, you are getting John Paulk and Alan Chambers mixed up. Paulk was the one caught in the DC gay bar. He is no longer active in the ex-gay movement. Chambers has not had any such incident as far as I am aware and is currently the President of Exodus International.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:55:56 +0000

I cannot possibly imagine an organization which annot even keep any sort of count of its “success” stories to be credible enough to engage in any sort of “dialogue.”

To engage in a meaningful dialogue, participants have to bring a real exchange of ideas to a forum, not a collection of manufactured lies.

By: Lynn David

Lynn David — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:51:12 +0000

Thomas also had this to say about the Beyond Ex-Gay (bXg) conference down the road (http://www.citizenlink.org/content/A000004897.cfm):

Thomas said the message of that counter-conference denies people hope.

“We live in a great country where people can have freedom of assembly,” he said. Unfortunately, the organizers of the counter-conference will “try to project their experience onto all of us, when in fact thousands of people, myself included, have overcome homosexuality.”

Ahem… their experience in Exodus represents at least twice that of those whose Exodus experience is “successful” – by the reckoning of Exodus itself! You’d think that their experience should be useful for a person entering an Exodus ministry.

I guess that one fundamentalist Christian’s denial of hope, is another moderate Christians new hope in Christ. And so it goes….

By: Steve Boese

Steve Boese — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:32:54 +0000

Hey Jim…

We’ve put an invitation out for folks to blog about why the survivor’s conference matters to them. It’s on the conference page, which will continue to be updated on a regular basis from now through the conference.

Looking forward to seeing you!

–Steve

By: Lynelle

Lynelle — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:09:13 +0000

Is John Chambers that cured homosexual who had an oopsie a few years back in that D.C. gay bar? If it is I would like to send him a manly gift basket to congratulate him on being sin-free for all this time.

God Bless!

p.s. I noticed that that awful nudie ad was removed. PTL!

By: peterson toscano

peterson toscano — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:37:49 +0000

Working with Soulforce on organizing the dinner and draftingthe letter helped focus us on the purpose of the gathering. (They have proved to be wonderful collaborators).

Realistically we know the ex-gay ideology, we sat under the teachings for years. We do not go into this with closed ears but we do understand that we have valuable information to share with Exodus leaders–information that many ex-gay leaders have not yet taken the time to consider.

Lots of folks debate about change, but rarely do we hear about the negative effects of pursuing that change and of suppressing our sexuality.

I truly hope that some leaders will come willing to listen.

By: Pomo

Pomo — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:00:45 +0000

you know that dinner really was a smart idea of Christine and Peterson. I was talking with a few people about this. Exodus was damned if they did and damned if they didn’t. Of course I dont really think an exgay organization could to anything to please those on the pro-gay side. So exodus is always damned… lol!

So if Exodus leadership didnt accept then responses like yours were sure to come. And yet if they did accept and lets say its a civil discussion, I still doubt their minds will be changed and then accusations are thrown around about how close-minded they are and that they’re not willing to change. blah blah blah.

Just trying to throw a little perspective into the discussion.