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	<title>Comments on: EDGE Boston Examines Reparative Therapy</title>
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		<title>By: Warren Throckmorton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Throckmorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: parenting and homosexuality. The Bell, Weinberg and Hammersmith (1981) work found modest effects (in single digits) of paternal distance and identification. This is about the same effect size as the studies of birth order advanced by Tony Bogaert (more older brothers, the more likely you would be gay). Birth order and parental relationship may explain a lot for some gays and nothing for others. For yet others, it may be relevant but of little overall significant. Saying something is disproven means we have several studies with fantastic methodologies all saying the same thing. Not true. 

Samantha - You are badly misinformed. I have an approach that is at odds with how reparative therapy is conducted. I have been a persistent critic of reparative therapy and am a counselor, not a psychiatrist. I am confident that some therapy will yield changes in aspects of sexuality inasmuch as those aspects are related to emotional issues (Gay psychotherapist Joe Kort believes this as well), but this is not reparative therapy. You did get my name correct, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: parenting and homosexuality. The Bell, Weinberg and Hammersmith (1981) work found modest effects (in single digits) of paternal distance and identification. This is about the same effect size as the studies of birth order advanced by Tony Bogaert (more older brothers, the more likely you would be gay). Birth order and parental relationship may explain a lot for some gays and nothing for others. For yet others, it may be relevant but of little overall significant. Saying something is disproven means we have several studies with fantastic methodologies all saying the same thing. Not true. </p>
<p>Samantha &#8211; You are badly misinformed. I have an approach that is at odds with how reparative therapy is conducted. I have been a persistent critic of reparative therapy and am a counselor, not a psychiatrist. I am confident that some therapy will yield changes in aspects of sexuality inasmuch as those aspects are related to emotional issues (Gay psychotherapist Joe Kort believes this as well), but this is not reparative therapy. You did get my name correct, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is overlap in agreement. I&#039;ve clarified the post to better reflect what I meant to say. 

The article focused a great deal on the environmental theories, and the fact is, they really haven&#039;t proven a whole lot. Where I think they agree is on the error of basing an entire therapeutic industry on theories which are not persuasive, with the dogmatic belief that such theories explain homosexuality for everybody. Where they disagree is that Green says the environmental theories are &quot;disproven&quot;; Throckmorton says that their effect sizes are modest at best. 

And for the record, I believe that if, in a parallel universe, the ex-gay movement were somehow based as exclusively on biological theories, we&#039;d probably still be talking about the same problem. My own understanding of the &quot;causes&quot; of homosexuality is similar to Throckmorton&#039;s, although I am generally more skeptical of most of the environmental research that focuses on specific parenting characteristics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is overlap in agreement. I&#8217;ve clarified the post to better reflect what I meant to say. </p>
<p>The article focused a great deal on the environmental theories, and the fact is, they really haven&#8217;t proven a whole lot. Where I think they agree is on the error of basing an entire therapeutic industry on theories which are not persuasive, with the dogmatic belief that such theories explain homosexuality for everybody. Where they disagree is that Green says the environmental theories are &#8220;disproven&#8221;; Throckmorton says that their effect sizes are modest at best. </p>
<p>And for the record, I believe that if, in a parallel universe, the ex-gay movement were somehow based as exclusively on biological theories, we&#8217;d probably still be talking about the same problem. My own understanding of the &#8220;causes&#8221; of homosexuality is similar to Throckmorton&#8217;s, although I am generally more skeptical of most of the environmental research that focuses on specific parenting characteristics.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samantha Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren Throckmorton, isn&#039;t he that bloke who has been trying to legitimize reparative therapy. If I remember correctly he&#039;s a psychiatrist who has been taking the stance that reparative therapy might not be the right thing for every gay person but because some people might want a heterosexual love life and because, in his view, reparative therapy works for some people it ought to be available.

It never ceases to amaze me the number of psychiatrists who simply fail to grasp that the Hippocratic Oath isn&#039;t there for impressionable med students; it&#039;s actually there so that doctors like Throckmorton don&#039;t go around hurting their patients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren Throckmorton, isn&#8217;t he that bloke who has been trying to legitimize reparative therapy. If I remember correctly he&#8217;s a psychiatrist who has been taking the stance that reparative therapy might not be the right thing for every gay person but because some people might want a heterosexual love life and because, in his view, reparative therapy works for some people it ought to be available.</p>
<p>It never ceases to amaze me the number of psychiatrists who simply fail to grasp that the Hippocratic Oath isn&#8217;t there for impressionable med students; it&#8217;s actually there so that doctors like Throckmorton don&#8217;t go around hurting their patients.</p>
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		<title>By: quo</title>
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		<dc:creator>quo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s fairly clear that Warren Throckmorton isn&#039;t agreeing with Robert-Jay Green to any great extent.

Green states that there is no evidence for the traditional Freudian theories about close mothers and distant fathers - Throckmorton says that there is some evidence, although &#039;only of modest effect statistically speaking&#039;.

Those are two very different claims. The bottom line is that if Throckmorton is correct, Green is at best misinformed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s fairly clear that Warren Throckmorton isn&#8217;t agreeing with Robert-Jay Green to any great extent.</p>
<p>Green states that there is no evidence for the traditional Freudian theories about close mothers and distant fathers &#8211; Throckmorton says that there is some evidence, although &#8216;only of modest effect statistically speaking&#8217;.</p>
<p>Those are two very different claims. The bottom line is that if Throckmorton is correct, Green is at best misinformed.</p>
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