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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And on that note, I think we know what kind of society missionaryway would wish to impose on everyone else.

I think her comment pretty much speaks for itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And on that note, I think we know what kind of society missionaryway would wish to impose on everyone else.</p>
<p>I think her comment pretty much speaks for itself.</p>
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		<title>By: missionaryway</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/07/30/592/comment-page-1#comment-1346</link>
		<dc:creator>missionaryway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, but again, but it&#039;s not only theocracies that have laws regarding sex &amp; dietary laws.  For eg. Nazi Germany &amp; later Austria passed laws re. animal welfare.  Dictator Hitler signed laws on among other things, the fastest way to kill crustaceans.  Yes, the Nazis later engulfed Europe in a bloody war that killed millions, but the Nazis deserve credit for passing animal welfare laws which were ahead of time. 

I agree with Mormons on other topics.  I believing in abolishing sex change surgeries &amp; in the past I&#039;ve tried to get legislation enacted to make these abominations illegal.  I also believe that most plastic surgeries are useless.  I also believe in abolishing vasectomies-they incr. the risk of prostate cancer &amp; there are safer birth control methods such as condoms, pills &amp; the Rhythm method. I also have no problem if they outlaw Viagra-if you can&#039;t do it anymore, well that&#039;s too soft. Viagra has been shown to incr. risk of heart attacks &amp; Viagra doesn&#039;t cure diseases. 

Now I don&#039;t agree with devout Mormons on everything. I&#039;m neutral on the death penalty. I support mercy-killing for the terminally ill &amp; handicapped if they choose, though I don&#039;t want Drs. involved in such decisions. If a family member wants to pull the trigger on some1 who requests to be killed because he or she is suffering from cancer, I&#039;ll acquit if I&#039;m on jury duty.  I&#039;m pro-choice on abortion only because if I were  born w/o arms &amp; legs, that I would rather be aborted. But I understand that Mormons regard abortion as bad &amp; I support their legal right to legislate against abortion, though I support abortion &amp; will counter them on it.  

Finally, they must pass legislation which forces old musicians who already have had their fame &amp; fortune such as Ozzy Osbourne to retire by forbidding  contracts to them as they peaked a long time ago-like term limits for politicians.  Music is best when it comes out for the 1st time &amp;  Ozzy has millions +  Parkison&#039;s Disease.  Giving recording contracts to old musicians who peaked out a long time ago is unfair as it makes it harder for younger musicians with dreams to get in. You may think it&#039;s curtailing freedom, but it&#039;s to make it easier to allow new creativity-to allow dreams of younger unknowns to become rich &amp; famous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, but again, but it&#8217;s not only theocracies that have laws regarding sex &amp; dietary laws.  For eg. Nazi Germany &amp; later Austria passed laws re. animal welfare.  Dictator Hitler signed laws on among other things, the fastest way to kill crustaceans.  Yes, the Nazis later engulfed Europe in a bloody war that killed millions, but the Nazis deserve credit for passing animal welfare laws which were ahead of time. </p>
<p>I agree with Mormons on other topics.  I believing in abolishing sex change surgeries &amp; in the past I&#8217;ve tried to get legislation enacted to make these abominations illegal.  I also believe that most plastic surgeries are useless.  I also believe in abolishing vasectomies-they incr. the risk of prostate cancer &amp; there are safer birth control methods such as condoms, pills &amp; the Rhythm method. I also have no problem if they outlaw Viagra-if you can&#8217;t do it anymore, well that&#8217;s too soft. Viagra has been shown to incr. risk of heart attacks &amp; Viagra doesn&#8217;t cure diseases. </p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t agree with devout Mormons on everything. I&#8217;m neutral on the death penalty. I support mercy-killing for the terminally ill &amp; handicapped if they choose, though I don&#8217;t want Drs. involved in such decisions. If a family member wants to pull the trigger on some1 who requests to be killed because he or she is suffering from cancer, I&#8217;ll acquit if I&#8217;m on jury duty.  I&#8217;m pro-choice on abortion only because if I were  born w/o arms &amp; legs, that I would rather be aborted. But I understand that Mormons regard abortion as bad &amp; I support their legal right to legislate against abortion, though I support abortion &amp; will counter them on it.  </p>
<p>Finally, they must pass legislation which forces old musicians who already have had their fame &amp; fortune such as Ozzy Osbourne to retire by forbidding  contracts to them as they peaked a long time ago-like term limits for politicians.  Music is best when it comes out for the 1st time &amp;  Ozzy has millions +  Parkison&#8217;s Disease.  Giving recording contracts to old musicians who peaked out a long time ago is unfair as it makes it harder for younger musicians with dreams to get in. You may think it&#8217;s curtailing freedom, but it&#8217;s to make it easier to allow new creativity-to allow dreams of younger unknowns to become rich &amp; famous.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken R</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/07/30/592/comment-page-1#comment-1341</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When laws are passed and enforced based on &quot;religious beliefs&quot; you get what is known as &quot;conflict&quot; because everyone&#039;s beliefs and interpretations will differ. And that missionaryway can all be summoned up as the dominant reason for the ongoing problems in the Middle East.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When laws are passed and enforced based on &#8220;religious beliefs&#8221; you get what is known as &#8220;conflict&#8221; because everyone&#8217;s beliefs and interpretations will differ. And that missionaryway can all be summoned up as the dominant reason for the ongoing problems in the Middle East.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Missionary,

The fact that there are some countries that have dietary laws and some countries that have sex code laws and some countries that are governed by Sharia laws is not justification for THIS country to have those laws.  We consider (and rightly so) those countries that are theocratic to be backward and enemies of freedom.

You may certainly argue that freedom should be curtailed and that everyone should be subjected to the whims of religious mullahs of various sects, but I think you will find most Americans will dismiss such arguments out of hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Missionary,</p>
<p>The fact that there are some countries that have dietary laws and some countries that have sex code laws and some countries that are governed by Sharia laws is not justification for THIS country to have those laws.  We consider (and rightly so) those countries that are theocratic to be backward and enemies of freedom.</p>
<p>You may certainly argue that freedom should be curtailed and that everyone should be subjected to the whims of religious mullahs of various sects, but I think you will find most Americans will dismiss such arguments out of hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and in a country where both Mormons and Hindus co-exist peacefully as equal citizens, people should be able to have anal sex while eating lentils AND have intercourse within marriage while eating beef.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and in a country where both Mormons and Hindus co-exist peacefully as equal citizens, people should be able to have anal sex while eating lentils AND have intercourse within marriage while eating beef.</p>
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		<title>By: missionaryway</title>
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		<dc:creator>missionaryway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your thoughts.  Since laws have been repealed in the U.S. against H&amp;L activities,sodomy &amp; oral sex your point&#039;s moot.

But you are implying it&#039;s just Judeo-Christians, Muslims &amp; Mormons who are against H&amp;L activities.  Yes, the Bible &amp; Koran do say that certain sexual activities are bad &amp; Mormons use the Bible &amp; Book of Mormon to justify passing laws against certain sexual behaviors. But you don&#039;t have to be religious to be against H&amp;L activities.  You can be non-Christian or even an atheist &amp; be against H&amp;L activities.  

Though Hinduism is neutral on homosexuality,sodomy &amp; oral sex- kamasutra originated in India, most Hindus regard sodomy &amp; oral sex as kinky.  Many Hindus believe that if a woman engages in sodomy &amp; oral sex with her husband, then she is loose.  I&#039;ve been to India many times &amp; I know that many Hindus have views of sex similar to devout Mormons. Mormons &amp; Hindus would differ on other topics such as food-most Mormons eat meat while many Hindus are vegetarians. 

India as of 2004 has laws against certain sexual activities &amp; they are illegal for reasons unrelated to religion. Yes, it has been under the rule of Muslims, British, French, &amp;  Portuguese (Goa), however colonial rule ended a long time ago &amp; many Hindus consider it taboo. 

My point here is that you can be non-Mormon &amp; still agree with them on the issue of sex. Mormons are also citizens &amp; if they want to go through the legal process to make certain sexual behaviors illegal, then I will support them on it. I realize this is repetitive, but as I see it, having laws against certain sexual behaviors is the same as having laws against eating certain foods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your thoughts.  Since laws have been repealed in the U.S. against H&amp;L activities,sodomy &amp; oral sex your point&#8217;s moot.</p>
<p>But you are implying it&#8217;s just Judeo-Christians, Muslims &amp; Mormons who are against H&amp;L activities.  Yes, the Bible &amp; Koran do say that certain sexual activities are bad &amp; Mormons use the Bible &amp; Book of Mormon to justify passing laws against certain sexual behaviors. But you don&#8217;t have to be religious to be against H&amp;L activities.  You can be non-Christian or even an atheist &amp; be against H&amp;L activities.  </p>
<p>Though Hinduism is neutral on homosexuality,sodomy &amp; oral sex- kamasutra originated in India, most Hindus regard sodomy &amp; oral sex as kinky.  Many Hindus believe that if a woman engages in sodomy &amp; oral sex with her husband, then she is loose.  I&#8217;ve been to India many times &amp; I know that many Hindus have views of sex similar to devout Mormons. Mormons &amp; Hindus would differ on other topics such as food-most Mormons eat meat while many Hindus are vegetarians. </p>
<p>India as of 2004 has laws against certain sexual activities &amp; they are illegal for reasons unrelated to religion. Yes, it has been under the rule of Muslims, British, French, &amp;  Portuguese (Goa), however colonial rule ended a long time ago &amp; many Hindus consider it taboo. </p>
<p>My point here is that you can be non-Mormon &amp; still agree with them on the issue of sex. Mormons are also citizens &amp; if they want to go through the legal process to make certain sexual behaviors illegal, then I will support them on it. I realize this is repetitive, but as I see it, having laws against certain sexual behaviors is the same as having laws against eating certain foods.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>missionaryway,

You said, 

&lt;i&gt;Given that Mormonism considers H&amp;L activities as bad, then it’s their duty to speak against H&amp;L activities or seek legislative actions to make these sexual behaviors illegal. If you regard a sexual behavior as bad, then you must decry it or make it a crime if you can. Not to be reduntant, but while H&amp;L activities are legal, Tim Kincaid has to understand that not every1 is going to agree with his sex life &amp; he has no right to force Mormons to support his sexual activities.&lt;/i&gt;

If the US adopted all religious beliefs and doctrines into law and enacted them you&#039;ll find a very restrictive country that could arrest you just by cutting your hair too short. Emily, Timothy, and I do not object to religions wanting to practice their faiths. What we do object to is these faiths trying to force or pass laws to impose their own beliefs upon the rest of us. The Mormon church can do whatever it wants behind their own doors and if they reject homosexuality then that is their belief. 

I find that if certain Christians had their way and the power to do so you&#039;d be forced to accept Christ as your Savior. Many Christians would see you as a sinner and in need of salvation. Face it, it would be a crime NOT to be a Christian. You could be arrested by just being Non-Christian. Would you feel differently then? They would only be decrying what they believed was wrong and that was you not being a Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>missionaryway,</p>
<p>You said, </p>
<p><i>Given that Mormonism considers H&amp;L activities as bad, then it’s their duty to speak against H&amp;L activities or seek legislative actions to make these sexual behaviors illegal. If you regard a sexual behavior as bad, then you must decry it or make it a crime if you can. Not to be reduntant, but while H&amp;L activities are legal, Tim Kincaid has to understand that not every1 is going to agree with his sex life &amp; he has no right to force Mormons to support his sexual activities.</i></p>
<p>If the US adopted all religious beliefs and doctrines into law and enacted them you&#8217;ll find a very restrictive country that could arrest you just by cutting your hair too short. Emily, Timothy, and I do not object to religions wanting to practice their faiths. What we do object to is these faiths trying to force or pass laws to impose their own beliefs upon the rest of us. The Mormon church can do whatever it wants behind their own doors and if they reject homosexuality then that is their belief. </p>
<p>I find that if certain Christians had their way and the power to do so you&#8217;d be forced to accept Christ as your Savior. Many Christians would see you as a sinner and in need of salvation. Face it, it would be a crime NOT to be a Christian. You could be arrested by just being Non-Christian. Would you feel differently then? They would only be decrying what they believed was wrong and that was you not being a Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Missionaryway states:  [Tim Kincaid] has no right to force Mormons to support his sexual activities.  

No.  Yet Mormons should be beholden to the laws of the land.   When the U.S. Supreme Court rendered sodomy laws moot, why is it that Utah still has sodomy laws on its books.  Yet, even when Sen. Scott McCoy (a outspoken gay legislator) tried to repeal or modify the sodomy code in our last legislative session it was soundly defeated.   Utahns (or Mormons who are running the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of our government) are just being spiteful to its gay populace.  To a large degree, Mormons are forcing gays to support their brand/style of sexual activities via a theocracy.

Who is forcing whom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Missionaryway states:  [Tim Kincaid] has no right to force Mormons to support his sexual activities.  </p>
<p>No.  Yet Mormons should be beholden to the laws of the land.   When the U.S. Supreme Court rendered sodomy laws moot, why is it that Utah still has sodomy laws on its books.  Yet, even when Sen. Scott McCoy (a outspoken gay legislator) tried to repeal or modify the sodomy code in our last legislative session it was soundly defeated.   Utahns (or Mormons who are running the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of our government) are just being spiteful to its gay populace.  To a large degree, Mormons are forcing gays to support their brand/style of sexual activities via a theocracy.</p>
<p>Who is forcing whom?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Missionaryway, 

While you are entitled to your opinion, most of us here in the US highly value freedom - including the freedom to live in the way found unacceptable by someone else&#039;s religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Missionaryway, </p>
<p>While you are entitled to your opinion, most of us here in the US highly value freedom &#8211; including the freedom to live in the way found unacceptable by someone else&#8217;s religion.</p>
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