Now, I gotta run off and read some posts. :)

The media did cover the incident. Some folks wanted the connotation of the coverage to be “look what gay people do when they are questioned about their behavior.” However that was not what the case entailed.

The elderly woman was murdered by a mentally sick man. His orientation was irrelevant. ATH exploited the incident just as they exploited the Jesse Dirkhising incident.

Dirkhising was murdered by two men who were gay. Some were complaining that since the criminals were gay, the media did not cover the incident with the intensity of Matthew Shephard’s murder.

Those claims were the things that hurt any coverage of the Dirkhising story. Rather than talk about how crimes against children should get more media attention, some wanted to spin the story to claim that a: gays are child molesters and b: the media didn’t want to cover stories that saw lgbts as criminals.

I would bet having missionaryway over to dinner would provide for a lively evening. The conversation could be hotter than a gut-bust’n bowl of my chili.

As to PFLAG, when I was in college in 1993, PFLAG spoke @ 1 of my sociology classes & PFLAG did imply that same sex activities between consenting adults are OK, though they didn’t directly say it. Our teacher was certainly not going to tolerate any1 of us saying that same sex activities are wrong.

Whether or not it is inborn is a moot point. What PFOX & CRC, should tell “potentially homosexual” minors is that rather than discussing whether or not it’s inborn, they should say that even if it’s inborn, H&L activities must be prevented. They should say that while there may be a gene to engage in a behavior, does not make the behavior right. PFOX & CRC see something wrong with men having sex with men or women having sex with women & they don’t want minors to be given the 1 sided view of PFLAG.

I don’t believe PFLAG should use schools to propagate their views or if they’re going to speak, @least allow countering views of those who see something wrong with H&L activities. PFLAG uses the euphemism of “Tolerance” & “diversity”.

Finally, I must also note that groups like PFOX, CRC & ATF raise topics others usu. don’t cover. We consistently hear of anecdotal cases violence against H&L, yet there have been cases where people have been assaulted or even killed for advising H&L to quit their sexual activities such as the case in Chicago of an elderly woman who was murdered after she advised a man to have sex with women instead of men. The mainstream press basically ignored it, but ATF wrote about it.

You cannot honestly tell me that if kids are not told about gay sex, gay and lesbian kids will not engage in it? They will figure it out on their own whether they are told or not. And if they do have sex they should be told to get protected. Not informing or not allowing kids to have sex is NOT going to stop kids from having sex. Gay or straight. We need not kid ourselves and think by saying “No” they will not do it. Kids need to be taught about safe sex. We do a disservice to them when we don’t talk about it.

PFLAG and other like organizations do not tell kids its ok to engage in gay sex. What they do is provide support and try to help kids understand their developing and questioning sexuality. Whether they be gay or straight. They are not indoctrinating them. PFLAG is trying to help those kids that may have a Gay, Lesbian, or Bi orientation to accept themselves as they are and give them the self-esteem they need to accept themselves which PFOX is trying to prevent. PFOX’s whole agenda is to force the belief that being straight is the only Biblical and moral good whereas being gay is the evil opposite that must be squashed. To them Heterosexuality = Holy and righteous living. Homosexuality = Evil and immoral living. These kinds of distinctions are very hurtful to those that are questioning their sexuality and if their orientation gravitates towards being gay, PFOX wants to but a stop to it and pound into those kids the belief that they are not born gay and that they are just confused. There is nothing worse than instilling into a kid that your very sexual makeup is evil and that you are less than your heterosexual peers. While some in PFOX may not outright say that, that is what is implied.

This will be my last post on this subject. In closing I want to reiterate one thing. PFOX and like organizations are only trying to push their Christian Right agenda and beliefs on everyone else. If someone came to the school and taught about Wicca or Buddhism you can be sure that PFOX and other like Christian organizations will be right their protesting the indoctrination of their children about other religions. Their goal has been clear from the beginning. And I have come to realize posts back that you, missionaryway, don’t like what you call “the behaviour” because it all stems from personal disgust and revulsion on the whole matter.

Btw, missionaryway, I believe boxing is morally wrong because of its violent nature. It does in fact cause harm and even death. But you know what? I don’t demand its removal from society or try to enforce a change in its bad behaviour.

Think about it.

Ken, I agree with PFOX,CRC & AFT that minors are too young to have sex. Parents should be permitted to forbid minors from engaging in H&L activities. Another reason PFOX & CRC gets involved in schools is that there have been cases where psychologists (esp. school psychologists) have affirmed a minor’s homosexual identity by telling them that it’s OK to engage in H&L activities, against their parents wishes. Minors are reqd. to get parental permission before they can participate on the school track team, football, martial arts, etc. Minors are also reqd. to get parental permission if they want to convert to another religion.

Yet as CRC & PFOX have pointed out, in the case of homosexuality, adults are telling minors that it’s OK to engage in H&L activities. Apologists for sex change surgeries such as PFLAG & GLSEN have come to campuses & pushed their views on others.

CRC & PFOX believe that minors are too young to be making decisions regarding homosexuality & they don’t need adults like PFLAG interfering & telling minors it’s OK to participate in these sexual behaviors. CRC & PFOX believe that adults esp. parents should do what they can to prevent minors from engaging in H&L activities.

http://www.ndri.com/news/oral_sex_may_increase_oraltonsillar_cancer_by_human_papillomavirus_hpv_-172.html

Your earlier statement seems to imply that it is oral sex, in and of itself, that constitutes a risk.

Of course HPV is a risk. Being in a committed, monogamous relationship for 12 years certainly mitigates that risk. Regarding your other observation about lovemaking going downhill as the “novelty” runs out. It’s not about novelty, it’s about loving my wife. And yes, it’s even better after 12 years.