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		<title>By: Benton</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/08/30/714/comment-page-1#comment-2223</link>
		<dc:creator>Benton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Begonia, being married and having children does not necessarily mean one is straight.  Ask my partner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Begonia, being married and having children does not necessarily mean one is straight.  Ask my partner.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/08/30/714/comment-page-1#comment-2220</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Begonia, That&#039;s an impressive statistic. Do you have a reference or link?

As for claiming that he&#039;s gay, please forgive my confusion but I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re referring to. I certainly didn&#039;t say it in my piece. That would be up to Craig to answer, not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Begonia, That&#8217;s an impressive statistic. Do you have a reference or link?</p>
<p>As for claiming that he&#8217;s gay, please forgive my confusion but I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;re referring to. I certainly didn&#8217;t say it in my piece. That would be up to Craig to answer, not me.</p>
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		<title>By: Begonia Buzzkill</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/08/30/714/comment-page-1#comment-2219</link>
		<dc:creator>Begonia Buzzkill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claiming Craig as &quot;gay&quot; on this issue of Tea Party Tarts being busted in mens rooms around America is a misnomer.

Studies, resulting in publications, on human sexuality on this issue of men in bathrooms as resulted with the facts (culled from police arrest records) is the simple fact over 90 percent of the men arrested in the bathrooms (ie Bob Allen the Bible Thumping homophobe for elections purposes) ......

FROM THE PUBLIC RECORDS:

Over 90 percent of the men arrested having sex in bathrooms  are married, straight men with kids who happen to think their penises trump their biblical oaths at some church altar.

The prisons are full of these straight men on the downlow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claiming Craig as &#8220;gay&#8221; on this issue of Tea Party Tarts being busted in mens rooms around America is a misnomer.</p>
<p>Studies, resulting in publications, on human sexuality on this issue of men in bathrooms as resulted with the facts (culled from police arrest records) is the simple fact over 90 percent of the men arrested in the bathrooms (ie Bob Allen the Bible Thumping homophobe for elections purposes) &#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>FROM THE PUBLIC RECORDS:</p>
<p>Over 90 percent of the men arrested having sex in bathrooms  are married, straight men with kids who happen to think their penises trump their biblical oaths at some church altar.</p>
<p>The prisons are full of these straight men on the downlow.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Blaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Blaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speak my name, Timothy, and I shall appear, lol. But you&#039;re right about the LCR - once gay marriage happens nationally, it&#039;s back to war-mongering and tax breaks.

Good post, Jim, although I don&#039;t think that one has to condone Craig&#039;s actions or think that there should be no repercussions to think that this sort of sting and the way he was railroaded into a plea is wrong and unjust. I&#039;m not going to pretend like it was worse for him than any of the other men who are picked up for this sort of thing, and I was kinda wavering back and forth on the issue until I listened to the police tape of his interview. It suddenly made the whole thing a lot less funny, considering how many times Craig tried to assure the officer not challenge him or his recounting of events in court, as the officer was threatening to add felony charges. To me, even if Craig did everything that the officer says he did and was going to do everything the officer thought he was going to do, due process still wasn&#039;t served.

I&#039;m not trying to convince you to agree with me here, just explaining the feeling I got while listening to that tape. (I&#039;m trying to be less heteropatriarchal in the way I argue, and, yes, Timothy, I even see how one argues as a queer issue. Go figure, lol.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speak my name, Timothy, and I shall appear, lol. But you&#8217;re right about the LCR &#8211; once gay marriage happens nationally, it&#8217;s back to war-mongering and tax breaks.</p>
<p>Good post, Jim, although I don&#8217;t think that one has to condone Craig&#8217;s actions or think that there should be no repercussions to think that this sort of sting and the way he was railroaded into a plea is wrong and unjust. I&#8217;m not going to pretend like it was worse for him than any of the other men who are picked up for this sort of thing, and I was kinda wavering back and forth on the issue until I listened to the police tape of his interview. It suddenly made the whole thing a lot less funny, considering how many times Craig tried to assure the officer not challenge him or his recounting of events in court, as the officer was threatening to add felony charges. To me, even if Craig did everything that the officer says he did and was going to do everything the officer thought he was going to do, due process still wasn&#8217;t served.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to convince you to agree with me here, just explaining the feeling I got while listening to that tape. (I&#8217;m trying to be less heteropatriarchal in the way I argue, and, yes, Timothy, I even see how one argues as a queer issue. Go figure, lol.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/08/30/714/comment-page-1#comment-2192</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 03:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that LGBT advocates really don&#039;t have room to defend gay sex in public bathrooms (or if you speak polari, &#039;cottaging&#039;), a vestige of a past before gay men could proudly declare their identity and meet in gay venues publicly without fear of arrest or violence. And for all the talk about the &#039;threat to children&#039; (in most cases a reactionary, simpleminded stance), gay advocates should think twice about what the presence of gay sex in public bathrooms means to questioning LGBT youth who might not have an outlet in their community or peer group for their desires. As a closeted gay youth raised in a restrictive evangelical household, my first awareness that others felt the same way I did came from sexual notes scrawled on the bathroom walls of the public library bathroom in my hometown. I loitered to see who these people might be without any inkling of the threat this behavior posed, and was approached by a man who masturbated at the urinal next to me. I allowed him to fondle me for an agonized minute before I fled in discomfort. Over a decade later, I&#039;ve embraced my sexuality and had the good fortune to enjoy friendships and relationships with self-respecting and proud gay men, and sometimes remember the confused, troubled state that found me in my first &#039;sexual&#039; experience. As a community, we need to vehemently disavow this behavior and promote nurturing alternatives (LGBTSAs, peer counseling, safe zones) so that questioning and confused youth aren&#039;t put in this primitive position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that LGBT advocates really don&#8217;t have room to defend gay sex in public bathrooms (or if you speak polari, &#8216;cottaging&#8217;), a vestige of a past before gay men could proudly declare their identity and meet in gay venues publicly without fear of arrest or violence. And for all the talk about the &#8216;threat to children&#8217; (in most cases a reactionary, simpleminded stance), gay advocates should think twice about what the presence of gay sex in public bathrooms means to questioning LGBT youth who might not have an outlet in their community or peer group for their desires. As a closeted gay youth raised in a restrictive evangelical household, my first awareness that others felt the same way I did came from sexual notes scrawled on the bathroom walls of the public library bathroom in my hometown. I loitered to see who these people might be without any inkling of the threat this behavior posed, and was approached by a man who masturbated at the urinal next to me. I allowed him to fondle me for an agonized minute before I fled in discomfort. Over a decade later, I&#8217;ve embraced my sexuality and had the good fortune to enjoy friendships and relationships with self-respecting and proud gay men, and sometimes remember the confused, troubled state that found me in my first &#8216;sexual&#8217; experience. As a community, we need to vehemently disavow this behavior and promote nurturing alternatives (LGBTSAs, peer counseling, safe zones) so that questioning and confused youth aren&#8217;t put in this primitive position.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/08/30/714/comment-page-1#comment-2168</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sammon also spoke about Vitter on CNN&#039;s Good Morning America</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sammon also spoke about Vitter on CNN&#8217;s Good Morning America</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/08/30/714/comment-page-1#comment-2166</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed referencing this story earlier.  It seems Log Cabin &lt;a href=&quot;http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=AECB3483-3048-5C12-00E782A917E650D1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;did mention&lt;/a&gt; Vitter 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Patrick Sammon, president of the Log Cabin Republicans, a group that supports gay rights, agreed. “I think voters don’t have much patience for hypocrisy,” he said, regardless of one’s party affiliation. “I think voters are tired of people who don’t live honest lives.” 

Hypocrisy is not a sin associated with only closeted homosexuals, Sammon said. 

He pointed out that Sen. David Vitter, a Louisiana Republican, in July acknowledged having telephoned the alleged D.C. Madam Deborah Jeane Palfrey. Like Vitter, Sammon said, “Sen. Craig has tried to legislate morality at the same time he’s having serious character and integrity problems himself.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have not, as of yet, identified where Log Cabin called for Vitter&#039;s resignation but at least they are speaking about him in the same sentence as Craig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed referencing this story earlier.  It seems Log Cabin <a href="http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=AECB3483-3048-5C12-00E782A917E650D1" rel="nofollow">did mention</a> Vitter </p>
<blockquote><p>Patrick Sammon, president of the Log Cabin Republicans, a group that supports gay rights, agreed. “I think voters don’t have much patience for hypocrisy,” he said, regardless of one’s party affiliation. “I think voters are tired of people who don’t live honest lives.” </p>
<p>Hypocrisy is not a sin associated with only closeted homosexuals, Sammon said. </p>
<p>He pointed out that Sen. David Vitter, a Louisiana Republican, in July acknowledged having telephoned the alleged D.C. Madam Deborah Jeane Palfrey. Like Vitter, Sammon said, “Sen. Craig has tried to legislate morality at the same time he’s having serious character and integrity problems himself.” </p></blockquote>
<p>I have not, as of yet, identified where Log Cabin called for Vitter&#8217;s resignation but at least they are speaking about him in the same sentence as Craig.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Log Cabin Republicans have sent his out in an email message:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Log Cabin has been providing a strong voice in the midst of the scandal involving Senator Larry Craig (R-ID).  His behavior has been inappropriate and illegal.  His explanation is not credible.  He should take responsibility for his poor judgment and illegal behavior by resigning.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Log Cabin Republicans have sent his out in an email message:</p>
<blockquote><p>Log Cabin has been providing a strong voice in the midst of the scandal involving Senator Larry Craig (R-ID).  His behavior has been inappropriate and illegal.  His explanation is not credible.  He should take responsibility for his poor judgment and illegal behavior by resigning.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/08/30/714/comment-page-1#comment-2159</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

Some media is agreeing with you and making the same point.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&amp;q=vitter+craig&amp;um=1&amp;sa=N&amp;tab=wn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>Some media is agreeing with you and making the same point.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&#038;q=vitter+craig&#038;um=1&#038;sa=N&#038;tab=wn" rel="nofollow">http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&#038;q=vitter+craig&#038;um=1&#038;sa=N&#038;tab=wn</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the hair-splitting has begun.

I don&#039;t argue that Craig shouldn&#039;t be expelled. I argue that there are no grounds for not including Vitter in the same discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the hair-splitting has begun.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t argue that Craig shouldn&#8217;t be expelled. I argue that there are no grounds for not including Vitter in the same discussion.</p>
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