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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s Not Homophobic To Investigate Child Sexual Abuse</title>
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		<title>By: Lusitanian</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/07/756/comment-page-1#comment-2442</link>
		<dc:creator>Lusitanian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 22:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Care to bet on whether or not Paul Cameron comes out with an article stating that 100% of gay foster parents have molested their charges in Britian?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve seen this happen before.

When six gay teenage boys alleged they had engaged in sexual activities with three staff members of the Gay and Lesbian Adolescent Social Services in 1996, Judith Reisman - the &quot;erotoxons&quot; lady - stated, with no basis, that &lt;b&gt;100%&lt;/b&gt; of the gay youth serviced by GLASS have been harassed, in contrast to &quot;only&quot; 15% of high school students across the US who report they have been sexually harassed by teachers or other school staff members. However, 6 is not even 4% of the more than 175 adolescents serviced by GLASS at that time. The teens&#039; allegations couldn&#039;t even be verified, and some therapists who treated them earlier and other youth who lived with them in the agency&#039;s facilities stated they were most probably lying, and the accused men couldn&#039;t even be prosecuted because of lack of evidence. However, there was Judith Reisman, saying that for sure 100% of the adolescents were molested.

I think the reason people like Judith Reisman and, to a lesser extent, Paul Cameron feel so confident making such wildly false allegations is that they don&#039;t write for the general public, they write to people who &lt;i&gt;a priori&lt;/i&gt; believe what they&#039;re going to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Care to bet on whether or not Paul Cameron comes out with an article stating that 100% of gay foster parents have molested their charges in Britian?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen this happen before.</p>
<p>When six gay teenage boys alleged they had engaged in sexual activities with three staff members of the Gay and Lesbian Adolescent Social Services in 1996, Judith Reisman &#8211; the &#8220;erotoxons&#8221; lady &#8211; stated, with no basis, that <b>100%</b> of the gay youth serviced by GLASS have been harassed, in contrast to &#8220;only&#8221; 15% of high school students across the US who report they have been sexually harassed by teachers or other school staff members. However, 6 is not even 4% of the more than 175 adolescents serviced by GLASS at that time. The teens&#8217; allegations couldn&#8217;t even be verified, and some therapists who treated them earlier and other youth who lived with them in the agency&#8217;s facilities stated they were most probably lying, and the accused men couldn&#8217;t even be prosecuted because of lack of evidence. However, there was Judith Reisman, saying that for sure 100% of the adolescents were molested.</p>
<p>I think the reason people like Judith Reisman and, to a lesser extent, Paul Cameron feel so confident making such wildly false allegations is that they don&#8217;t write for the general public, they write to people who <i>a priori</i> believe what they&#8217;re going to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/07/756/comment-page-1#comment-2437</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lusitanian, thanks for the correction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lusitanian, thanks for the correction.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/07/756/comment-page-1#comment-2431</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 15:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a tragedy for all people involved, and all walks of life involved: social workers, gays, children, and foster parents. 

Not only will people like Regina Griggs (recent recipient of the LaBabs Award) point to this as proof that Homosexuals have &quot;special rights&quot; or &quot;super rights&quot; and protection - it has possibly pushed back adoption rights for gays and lesbians for another 10 years. This might be my over-reaction, and nothing would make me happier than to know it is. But this will be THE KEY CASE people like Paul Cameron, James Dobson, and &quot;Dubya&quot; will point to in order to deny equal rights to us. They will say: &quot;see how the floodgates opened? THE FIRST gay couple to get foster parent rights ended up being ABUSERS just like we SAID they would!!!&quot;

I&#039;ve said this before: Being in a minority means you&#039;ll automatically be judged by the worst of us. It will take a thousand positive gay foster parent occurances to counteract this one negative one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a tragedy for all people involved, and all walks of life involved: social workers, gays, children, and foster parents. </p>
<p>Not only will people like Regina Griggs (recent recipient of the LaBabs Award) point to this as proof that Homosexuals have &#8220;special rights&#8221; or &#8220;super rights&#8221; and protection &#8211; it has possibly pushed back adoption rights for gays and lesbians for another 10 years. This might be my over-reaction, and nothing would make me happier than to know it is. But this will be THE KEY CASE people like Paul Cameron, James Dobson, and &#8220;Dubya&#8221; will point to in order to deny equal rights to us. They will say: &#8220;see how the floodgates opened? THE FIRST gay couple to get foster parent rights ended up being ABUSERS just like we SAID they would!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said this before: Being in a minority means you&#8217;ll automatically be judged by the worst of us. It will take a thousand positive gay foster parent occurances to counteract this one negative one.</p>
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		<title>By: Boo</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/07/756/comment-page-1#comment-2425</link>
		<dc:creator>Boo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;lesbian social workers? What? Do they exist?&quot;

Hi there.

I have to wonder in this case if part of the problem may have come from the anti-gay orgs crying wolf so much about gay people all being child molesters. If one hears that often enough and recognizes it as just more anti-gay bs, that might set up a slight automatic bias against taking real complaints as seriously as one otherwise would have.

Absolutely none of which absolves the social workers in this case from failing to do their jobs and allowing more kids to be hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;lesbian social workers? What? Do they exist?&#8221;</p>
<p>Hi there.</p>
<p>I have to wonder in this case if part of the problem may have come from the anti-gay orgs crying wolf so much about gay people all being child molesters. If one hears that often enough and recognizes it as just more anti-gay bs, that might set up a slight automatic bias against taking real complaints as seriously as one otherwise would have.</p>
<p>Absolutely none of which absolves the social workers in this case from failing to do their jobs and allowing more kids to be hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/07/756/comment-page-1#comment-2420</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 06:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lusitanian wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;According to the article you linked to, they were one of the first gay couples officially recognized as foster parents, not the the very first couple.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Care to bet on whether or not Paul Cameron comes out with an article stating that 100% of gay foster parents have molested their charges in Britian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lusitanian wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>According to the article you linked to, they were one of the first gay couples officially recognized as foster parents, not the the very first couple.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Care to bet on whether or not Paul Cameron comes out with an article stating that 100% of gay foster parents have molested their charges in Britian?</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/07/756/comment-page-1#comment-2417</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 04:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I figure that being a lesbian entails that a person is at least a little social and we have to work to survive right? So there you so, lesbian social workers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I figure that being a lesbian entails that a person is at least a little social and we have to work to survive right? So there you so, lesbian social workers!</p>
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		<title>By: Lusitanian</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/07/756/comment-page-1#comment-2416</link>
		<dc:creator>Lusitanian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a small correction...

&lt;i&gt;Craig Faunch and Ian Wathey of Wakefield, England were the first gay couple to be approved to serve as foster parents in the U.K.&lt;/i&gt;

According to the article you linked to, they were one of the first gay couples officially recognized as foster parents, not the &lt;b&gt;the very first couple&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a small correction&#8230;</p>
<p><i>Craig Faunch and Ian Wathey of Wakefield, England were the first gay couple to be approved to serve as foster parents in the U.K.</i></p>
<p>According to the article you linked to, they were one of the first gay couples officially recognized as foster parents, not the <b>the very first couple</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/07/756/comment-page-1#comment-2413</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 01:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lesbian social workers?  What? Do they exist?

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lesbian social workers?  What? Do they exist?</p>
<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/07/756/comment-page-1#comment-2412</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it is a little extreme taking in 18 kids in 15 months.

Also, there is a huge difference between protecting children, which is not homophobic, and harassing gay people adopting children, which is homophobic. If you get a report or suspect that someone or some couple is molesting their charges then they ought to be investigated. If, on the other hand, you keep launching investigations against someone even though you never find anything suspicious you might have a case of harassment. Again, there is a big difference between the two and the social workers didn&#039;t even come close.

At least they could have had a gay or lesbian social worker do the investigation if they thought that their being gay would bias the investigation or seem homophobic. I&#039;m sure that the agency had to have some gay or lesbian social workers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it is a little extreme taking in 18 kids in 15 months.</p>
<p>Also, there is a huge difference between protecting children, which is not homophobic, and harassing gay people adopting children, which is homophobic. If you get a report or suspect that someone or some couple is molesting their charges then they ought to be investigated. If, on the other hand, you keep launching investigations against someone even though you never find anything suspicious you might have a case of harassment. Again, there is a big difference between the two and the social workers didn&#8217;t even come close.</p>
<p>At least they could have had a gay or lesbian social worker do the investigation if they thought that their being gay would bias the investigation or seem homophobic. I&#8217;m sure that the agency had to have some gay or lesbian social workers!</p>
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		<title>By: David Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/07/756/comment-page-1#comment-2411</link>
		<dc:creator>David Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 23:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;taking in 18 children in only 15 months&quot;

I&#039;m not an authority but isn&#039;t that rather extreme?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;taking in 18 children in only 15 months&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an authority but isn&#8217;t that rather extreme?</p>
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