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	<title>Comments on: Nigeria&#8217;s Bishop Orama: Gays &#8220;Are Not Fit To Live&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: EMMY</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/08/762/comment-page-1#comment-52886</link>
		<dc:creator>EMMY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Priya Lynn, I concur with Femi 100%. If you are one of them, better repent before it&#039;s too late! Jesus loves all Homosexuals and Lesbians that is why he uses such opportunities to call them to repentance.We&#039;re still in the time of grace.....when judgement comes at the end, all these intelligent arguments from guys in the western world,etc will turn to wailings, weepings and gnashing of teeth. Beware!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Priya Lynn, I concur with Femi 100%. If you are one of them, better repent before it&#8217;s too late! Jesus loves all Homosexuals and Lesbians that is why he uses such opportunities to call them to repentance.We&#8217;re still in the time of grace&#8230;..when judgement comes at the end, all these intelligent arguments from guys in the western world,etc will turn to wailings, weepings and gnashing of teeth. Beware!</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/08/762/comment-page-1#comment-38916</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Femi, gays and lesbians harm no one and thus their behavior is moral and they have no need of repenting.  It is you who would force your will on harmless people to deny them happeness who needs to repent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Femi, gays and lesbians harm no one and thus their behavior is moral and they have no need of repenting.  It is you who would force your will on harmless people to deny them happeness who needs to repent.</p>
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		<title>By: FEMI AYANDOKUN</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/08/762/comment-page-1#comment-38910</link>
		<dc:creator>FEMI AYANDOKUN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it would be biblically out of place to hate the person of homosexuals and lesbians and use abusive language on them it remains to be said that their way of life is the object of God&#039;s hatred and wrath. The bible in no uncertain terms condemns homosexualism, lesbianism and the attendant same sex marriage. It is antithetical to claim to be a christian and yet subscribe to such unbiblical lifestyle. Repent now and be delivered from the coming judgment of God on the children of disobedience! Jesus loves you!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it would be biblically out of place to hate the person of homosexuals and lesbians and use abusive language on them it remains to be said that their way of life is the object of God&#8217;s hatred and wrath. The bible in no uncertain terms condemns homosexualism, lesbianism and the attendant same sex marriage. It is antithetical to claim to be a christian and yet subscribe to such unbiblical lifestyle. Repent now and be delivered from the coming judgment of God on the children of disobedience! Jesus loves you!!</p>
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		<title>By: Music City Bloggers &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Insane eye for the straight guy, or, THIS is what you mean by reconciliation?</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/08/762/comment-page-1#comment-2542</link>
		<dc:creator>Music City Bloggers &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Insane eye for the straight guy, or, THIS is what you mean by reconciliation?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fairness to the Bishop, his spokesman has now denied that Orama made the statement. Some folks aren&#8217;t so sure about the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: toujoursdan</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/08/762/comment-page-1#comment-2481</link>
		<dc:creator>toujoursdan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The begging question is why someone at the News Agency of Nigeria quoted this in the first place, and why a spokesperson for the Church of Nigeria, rather than the Bishop himself, needed to disclaim it. 

Given how homophobic society is there, quoting it couldn&#039;t possibly do much damage to the Bishop&#039;s reputation. So why would a reporter make it up? Or which part of the quote did he get wrong and which part is correct?

According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rsf.org/country-36.php3?id_mot=551&amp;Valider=OK&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Reporter&#039;s sans Frontières&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;Nigerian journalists yet again lived through an appalling year in 2006. They have had to face police brutality, arrests in certain cases for the least article that annoyed local authorities...They are also routinely the punch bags for the powerful, military figures, governors, ministers and businessmen, who enjoy complete impunity and have no respect for the right to news and information...&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s pretty easy to envisage why a reporter would retract a story that made the church and nation look bad. It&#039;s a bit harder to envisage why he would post it in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The begging question is why someone at the News Agency of Nigeria quoted this in the first place, and why a spokesperson for the Church of Nigeria, rather than the Bishop himself, needed to disclaim it. </p>
<p>Given how homophobic society is there, quoting it couldn&#8217;t possibly do much damage to the Bishop&#8217;s reputation. So why would a reporter make it up? Or which part of the quote did he get wrong and which part is correct?</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.rsf.org/country-36.php3?id_mot=551&amp;Valider=OK" rel="nofollow">Reporter&#8217;s sans Frontières</a>:</p>
<p><i>Nigerian journalists yet again lived through an appalling year in 2006. They have had to face police brutality, arrests in certain cases for the least article that annoyed local authorities&#8230;They are also routinely the punch bags for the powerful, military figures, governors, ministers and businessmen, who enjoy complete impunity and have no respect for the right to news and information&#8230;</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty easy to envisage why a reporter would retract a story that made the church and nation look bad. It&#8217;s a bit harder to envisage why he would post it in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbinsdale radical</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/08/762/comment-page-1#comment-2464</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbinsdale radical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim said:&lt;blockquote&gt;It is however new and disturbing to see an entire mainstream church movement move in this direction.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The truth is that the self-proclaimed &quot;orthodox Anglicans&quot; at &lt;i&gt;Standing Firm&lt;/i&gt;, etc, who are affiliating (and providing resources and talking points to) the African churches are not mainstream. In fact virtually all Episcopalians have not been receptive to the calls from these fringe groups to leave our Church. The so-called &quot;orthodox&quot; (who in reality are quite un-Anglican and un-orthodox) are heavily funded from outside the church by a group called the Institute for Religion and Democracy (IRD). They are loud but not mainstream in any sense.

In my opinion the real goal of IRD&#039;s activism is to weaken the Episcopal Church (and the United Methodists, Presbyterians, and Lutherans, who all are under attack by IRD-funded &quot;reformers&quot;) so they no longer are able to raise those pesky questions about war and economic justice.

The &quot;orthodoxy&#039;s&quot; struggle (which depends on painting rich white straight folk as a persecuted minority)  has less to do with the role of women and GLBT folk and more to do with power.  GLBT people especially are being used to scare good people with the spectre of change to distract people from the &quot;conservative&#039;s&quot; real, essentially political, agenda. 

Fortunately they have been losing in court, and in the pews,  as people as their goals, and tactics, have become more well known. And also, that those threatening GLBT folk aren&#039;t really that scary, as we find out that, in fact, they are co-workers, nephews, aunts, and sons, and daughters.

Unfortunately, they have had much more success sowing discord overseas in the worldwide Anglican Communion, which is a terrible shame because it is distracting everyone from the the real problems of war, severe economic injustice, food security, and educational and special health challenges around the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim said:<br />
<blockquote>It is however new and disturbing to see an entire mainstream church movement move in this direction.</p></blockquote>
<p>The truth is that the self-proclaimed &#8220;orthodox Anglicans&#8221; at <i>Standing Firm</i>, etc, who are affiliating (and providing resources and talking points to) the African churches are not mainstream. In fact virtually all Episcopalians have not been receptive to the calls from these fringe groups to leave our Church. The so-called &#8220;orthodox&#8221; (who in reality are quite un-Anglican and un-orthodox) are heavily funded from outside the church by a group called the Institute for Religion and Democracy (IRD). They are loud but not mainstream in any sense.</p>
<p>In my opinion the real goal of IRD&#8217;s activism is to weaken the Episcopal Church (and the United Methodists, Presbyterians, and Lutherans, who all are under attack by IRD-funded &#8220;reformers&#8221;) so they no longer are able to raise those pesky questions about war and economic justice.</p>
<p>The &#8220;orthodoxy&#8217;s&#8221; struggle (which depends on painting rich white straight folk as a persecuted minority)  has less to do with the role of women and GLBT folk and more to do with power.  GLBT people especially are being used to scare good people with the spectre of change to distract people from the &#8220;conservative&#8217;s&#8221; real, essentially political, agenda. </p>
<p>Fortunately they have been losing in court, and in the pews,  as people as their goals, and tactics, have become more well known. And also, that those threatening GLBT folk aren&#8217;t really that scary, as we find out that, in fact, they are co-workers, nephews, aunts, and sons, and daughters.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, they have had much more success sowing discord overseas in the worldwide Anglican Communion, which is a terrible shame because it is distracting everyone from the the real problems of war, severe economic injustice, food security, and educational and special health challenges around the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Robguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Wisconsin you only get 18 months for being married to the same gender. :p

I&#039;ve also noticed how segments of America are identifying with the frightening homophobia in Nigeria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Wisconsin you only get 18 months for being married to the same gender. :p</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also noticed how segments of America are identifying with the frightening homophobia in Nigeria.</p>
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		<title>By: David Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/08/762/comment-page-1#comment-2448</link>
		<dc:creator>David Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 05:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&amp;appid=firefox-resurrect&amp;query=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.upi.com%2FAfricaMonitoring%2Fview.php%3FStoryID%3D20070902-831713-6007-r&amp;results=1&amp;u=www.upi.com/AfricaMonitoring/view.php%3FStoryID%3D20070902-831713-6007-r&amp;d=GCd8uP4-Pa5y&amp;icp=1&amp;.intl=us&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cached version&lt;/a&gt; from UPI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&amp;appid=firefox-resurrect&amp;query=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.upi.com%2FAfricaMonitoring%2Fview.php%3FStoryID%3D20070902-831713-6007-r&amp;results=1&amp;u=www.upi.com/AfricaMonitoring/view.php%3FStoryID%3D20070902-831713-6007-r&amp;d=GCd8uP4-Pa5y&amp;icp=1&amp;.intl=us" rel="nofollow">cached version</a> from UPI.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 22:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doris,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/08/762#update&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I just posted an update&lt;/a&gt;. The UPI retracted it, but not based on anything the reporter did. Bottom line, we only have Akinola&#039;s spokesman&#039;s word for it that the reporter apologized and that Bishop Orama denied making the statement. We haven&#039;t heard from the reporter himself. 

Given Popoola&#039;s past distortions, I&#039;m not willing to give much credence to his statements.

Lynn David,

Virtue Online -- those would be the same people who find &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,021.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paul Cameron&#039;s word credible&lt;/a&gt;, no?  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doris,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/08/762#update" rel="nofollow" class="articleLink">I just posted an update</a>. The UPI retracted it, but not based on anything the reporter did. Bottom line, we only have Akinola&#8217;s spokesman&#8217;s word for it that the reporter apologized and that Bishop Orama denied making the statement. We haven&#8217;t heard from the reporter himself. </p>
<p>Given Popoola&#8217;s past distortions, I&#8217;m not willing to give much credence to his statements.</p>
<p>Lynn David,</p>
<p>Virtue Online &#8212; those would be the same people who find <a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,021.htm" rel="nofollow" class="articleLink">Paul Cameron&#8217;s word credible</a>, no?  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 22:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virtue Online noted &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6639&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this concerning the remarks of Bishop Orama&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams denounced as unchristian the statement demonizing gays and lesbians by the African bishop. In a statement released by the Anglican Consultative Council&#039;s press office, the archbishop expressed &quot;deep shock&quot; at the remarks made by Bishop Orama. 

The Nigerian bishop has denied making the remarks attributed to him. A spokesman for the Church of Nigeria, Archdeacon Akintunde Popoola, said the quote attributed to the bishop was false. 

The News Agency of Nigeria reporter has &quot;apologized for the misrepresentation and promised a retraction,&quot; Archdeacon Popoola told the &quot;Living Church&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That doesn&#039;t excuse the rest of it by Popoola et.al. though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virtue Online noted <a href="http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6639" rel="nofollow">this concerning the remarks of Bishop Orama</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams denounced as unchristian the statement demonizing gays and lesbians by the African bishop. In a statement released by the Anglican Consultative Council&#8217;s press office, the archbishop expressed &#8220;deep shock&#8221; at the remarks made by Bishop Orama. </p>
<p>The Nigerian bishop has denied making the remarks attributed to him. A spokesman for the Church of Nigeria, Archdeacon Akintunde Popoola, said the quote attributed to the bishop was false. </p>
<p>The News Agency of Nigeria reporter has &#8220;apologized for the misrepresentation and promised a retraction,&#8221; Archdeacon Popoola told the &#8220;Living Church&#8221;.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t excuse the rest of it by Popoola et.al. though.</p>
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