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		<title>By: Randi Schimnosky</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/24/809/comment-page-1#comment-3033</link>
		<dc:creator>Randi Schimnosky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren said &quot;Most people who stop smoking report cravings but don’t give into them. Does this minimize their status as former smokers?”

Gays aren&#039;t defined by sexual activity, what makes a person gay is sexual desire.  Many virgins are gay.  Simply ceasing gay sex doesn&#039;t make one &quot;ex-gay&quot;, the desires remain and the person is still gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren said &#8220;Most people who stop smoking report cravings but don’t give into them. Does this minimize their status as former smokers?”</p>
<p>Gays aren&#8217;t defined by sexual activity, what makes a person gay is sexual desire.  Many virgins are gay.  Simply ceasing gay sex doesn&#8217;t make one &#8220;ex-gay&#8221;, the desires remain and the person is still gay.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/24/809/comment-page-1#comment-2971</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I quit smoking 3 years ago, and quit drinking. I haven’t had any sort of craving for either of them in over a year….which would be where the smoking analogy falls apart. My cravings ended, the ex-gays never leave their homosexuality behind. The most “successful” still report thoughts and desires for years later.&quot;

I&#039;d like to second that. I beat smoking, drinking, and a cocaine addiction almost a decade ago. Today, I don&#039;t experience cravings for any of them. My desire for sex and love, on the other hand, is a built in feature of my species, and it never went away no matter what tricks I tried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I quit smoking 3 years ago, and quit drinking. I haven’t had any sort of craving for either of them in over a year….which would be where the smoking analogy falls apart. My cravings ended, the ex-gays never leave their homosexuality behind. The most “successful” still report thoughts and desires for years later.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to second that. I beat smoking, drinking, and a cocaine addiction almost a decade ago. Today, I don&#8217;t experience cravings for any of them. My desire for sex and love, on the other hand, is a built in feature of my species, and it never went away no matter what tricks I tried.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/24/809/comment-page-1#comment-2964</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;4) I find it glib when you say, “Most people who stop smoking report cravings but don’t give into them. Does this minimize their status as former smokers?” I resent my love being compared to smoking. I find that extreme.&quot;

I quit smoking 3 years ago, and quit drinking.  I haven&#039;t had any sort of craving for either of them in over a year....which would be where the smoking analogy falls apart.  My cravings ended, the ex-gays never leave their homosexuality behind.  The most &quot;successful&quot; still report thoughts and desires for years later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;4) I find it glib when you say, “Most people who stop smoking report cravings but don’t give into them. Does this minimize their status as former smokers?” I resent my love being compared to smoking. I find that extreme.&#8221;</p>
<p>I quit smoking 3 years ago, and quit drinking.  I haven&#8217;t had any sort of craving for either of them in over a year&#8230;.which would be where the smoking analogy falls apart.  My cravings ended, the ex-gays never leave their homosexuality behind.  The most &#8220;successful&#8221; still report thoughts and desires for years later.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Besen</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/24/809/comment-page-1#comment-2963</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Besen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I almost forgot Warren&#039;s infamous quote:

&quot;The last issue that has been advanced to prove conversion therapy is harmful is the supposed link between youth suicide and conversion therapy. Let me say this clearly: there are no data supporting any such link.&quot;

Warren you aren&#039;t seriously suggesting that some youths don&#039;t kill themselves when they realize they are gay. I&#039;m sure there are many readers on this site that might like to share such an experience and educate you on this matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost forgot Warren&#8217;s infamous quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;The last issue that has been advanced to prove conversion therapy is harmful is the supposed link between youth suicide and conversion therapy. Let me say this clearly: there are no data supporting any such link.&#8221;</p>
<p>Warren you aren&#8217;t seriously suggesting that some youths don&#8217;t kill themselves when they realize they are gay. I&#8217;m sure there are many readers on this site that might like to share such an experience and educate you on this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Besen</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/24/809/comment-page-1#comment-2961</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Besen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren:

Please do not confuse my apology for the term &quot;sociopath&quot; with what I think of your work. I think you owe an apology to the victims of ex-gay therapy. 

1) I find it abusive when you claim, &quot;I have never found evidence of electroshock treatment being used anyway.&quot; Would you like to meet some victims?

2) I find it abusive when you claim, &quot;Where&#039;s the evidence for the contention of harm?&quot; Perhaps, you should have joined us at the Ex-Gay Survivors conference.

3) I find it abusive when you dismiss victims by saying, &quot;I submit that there are reasons to be cautious about client reports of dissatisfaction with psychotherapy that are not counterbalanced with reports of the therapists involved. 

4) I find it glib when you say, &quot;Most people who stop smoking report cravings but don&#039;t give into them. Does this minimize their status as former smokers?&quot; I resent my love being compared to smoking. I find that extreme. 

5) I find your methods bizarre when you  suggest that homosexuality can be cured though teaching &quot;self-understanding and assertiveness.&quot; 

6) I find it equally odd that you believe that if some homosexuals take anti-anxiety drugs, they can go straight.

Dr. Throckmorton, your views are quite fringe, in spite of how you work to present yourself to mainstream audiences. While I apologize for a word, you must apologize for much more. You can begin by apologizing for your homophobic video &quot;I Do Exist&quot; which opens in front of New York porn shops, signifying gay life.

Now that I have shown you how to apologize...by all means...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren:</p>
<p>Please do not confuse my apology for the term &#8220;sociopath&#8221; with what I think of your work. I think you owe an apology to the victims of ex-gay therapy. </p>
<p>1) I find it abusive when you claim, &#8220;I have never found evidence of electroshock treatment being used anyway.&#8221; Would you like to meet some victims?</p>
<p>2) I find it abusive when you claim, &#8220;Where&#8217;s the evidence for the contention of harm?&#8221; Perhaps, you should have joined us at the Ex-Gay Survivors conference.</p>
<p>3) I find it abusive when you dismiss victims by saying, &#8220;I submit that there are reasons to be cautious about client reports of dissatisfaction with psychotherapy that are not counterbalanced with reports of the therapists involved. </p>
<p>4) I find it glib when you say, &#8220;Most people who stop smoking report cravings but don&#8217;t give into them. Does this minimize their status as former smokers?&#8221; I resent my love being compared to smoking. I find that extreme. </p>
<p>5) I find your methods bizarre when you  suggest that homosexuality can be cured though teaching &#8220;self-understanding and assertiveness.&#8221; </p>
<p>6) I find it equally odd that you believe that if some homosexuals take anti-anxiety drugs, they can go straight.</p>
<p>Dr. Throckmorton, your views are quite fringe, in spite of how you work to present yourself to mainstream audiences. While I apologize for a word, you must apologize for much more. You can begin by apologizing for your homophobic video &#8220;I Do Exist&#8221; which opens in front of New York porn shops, signifying gay life.</p>
<p>Now that I have shown you how to apologize&#8230;by all means&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Throckmorton</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/09/24/809/comment-page-1#comment-2931</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Throckmorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it would be more appropriate for Wayne to apologize to the person he defamed, I do appreciate the post here. Apologies accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it would be more appropriate for Wayne to apologize to the person he defamed, I do appreciate the post here. Apologies accepted.</p>
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