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	<title>Comments on: ABC Article on Gay Husband</title>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, you you know what would help your case?  Brass Tacks.  Numbers.  Data.

How many marriages we talking about?  And how many years are we talking about?  Alan, your side always carries the banner of &quot;many&quot; or &quot;lots&quot; or &quot;thousands&quot; but when it&#039;s time to do a head count, there&#039;s only a handful of people standing under the banner.  
Unlike you, I don&#039;t accept anything on faith alone.  Numbers speak volumes, if you have them, present them.

We&#039;re waiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, you you know what would help your case?  Brass Tacks.  Numbers.  Data.</p>
<p>How many marriages we talking about?  And how many years are we talking about?  Alan, your side always carries the banner of &#8220;many&#8221; or &#8220;lots&#8221; or &#8220;thousands&#8221; but when it&#8217;s time to do a head count, there&#8217;s only a handful of people standing under the banner.<br />
Unlike you, I don&#8217;t accept anything on faith alone.  Numbers speak volumes, if you have them, present them.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DRG,

My heart goes out to you and your wife.

I hope you will search out and find others who have or are going through what you are experiencing.

You may wish to contact &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.beyondexgay.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Beyond Ex-Gay&lt;/a&gt; if you went through that movement.

You may also find someone to listed from a spiritual perspective at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://gaychristian.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gay Christian Network&lt;/a&gt;.

And your wife may want to talk to others at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.straightspouse.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Straight Spouse Network&lt;/a&gt;.

God bless you and I hope you are able to find peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DRG,</p>
<p>My heart goes out to you and your wife.</p>
<p>I hope you will search out and find others who have or are going through what you are experiencing.</p>
<p>You may wish to contact <a href="http://www.beyondexgay.com/" rel="nofollow">Beyond Ex-Gay</a> if you went through that movement.</p>
<p>You may also find someone to listed from a spiritual perspective at the <a href="http://gaychristian.net/" rel="nofollow">Gay Christian Network</a>.</p>
<p>And your wife may want to talk to others at the <a href="http://www.straightspouse.org/" rel="nofollow">Straight Spouse Network</a>.</p>
<p>God bless you and I hope you are able to find peace.</p>
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		<title>By: DRG</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I are caught and TORMENTED by this scenario.  We went forward in faith on the advise of the church... her knowing of my struggles from the beginning.  Three children later, we are at a place where we realize the size of the elephant in the room.  Know matter which way we turn, we hurt or hurt someone.  Luckily I am married to the most wonderful person... but the pain is overwhelming.  My goodness I wish I had never listened to the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I are caught and TORMENTED by this scenario.  We went forward in faith on the advise of the church&#8230; her knowing of my struggles from the beginning.  Three children later, we are at a place where we realize the size of the elephant in the room.  Know matter which way we turn, we hurt or hurt someone.  Luckily I am married to the most wonderful person&#8230; but the pain is overwhelming.  My goodness I wish I had never listened to the church.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan,

I think that perhaps we both suffer from assuming that what we experience is the more universal experience.  

For example, I don&#039;t personally know any couples in which a husband was gay but the family stayed together and all was well.  I thought that I did, and I was honestly happy for that situation... but sadly (and I was genuinely sad) it ended similarly to the story above.  

In contrast, I suspect that you know people who face this situation and stay together.  I wish them well and respect the sacrifices that both of them make for the sake of their kids and their faith.

While I certainly would never encourage someone who is primarily same-sex attracted to marry someone of the opposite sex (too many end up hurting everyone involved), I can respect that someone who is married would want to try and work to keep that marriage intact.

So if you carefully read what I wrote above, you&#039;ll see that the &quot;happy note&quot; was that they both grew through the experience.  And they seem to have no bitterness towards each other, which is so devastating on kids.  And that, I believe, is a positive outcome regardless of what &quot;cause&quot; one may champion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,</p>
<p>I think that perhaps we both suffer from assuming that what we experience is the more universal experience.  </p>
<p>For example, I don&#8217;t personally know any couples in which a husband was gay but the family stayed together and all was well.  I thought that I did, and I was honestly happy for that situation&#8230; but sadly (and I was genuinely sad) it ended similarly to the story above.  </p>
<p>In contrast, I suspect that you know people who face this situation and stay together.  I wish them well and respect the sacrifices that both of them make for the sake of their kids and their faith.</p>
<p>While I certainly would never encourage someone who is primarily same-sex attracted to marry someone of the opposite sex (too many end up hurting everyone involved), I can respect that someone who is married would want to try and work to keep that marriage intact.</p>
<p>So if you carefully read what I wrote above, you&#8217;ll see that the &#8220;happy note&#8221; was that they both grew through the experience.  And they seem to have no bitterness towards each other, which is so devastating on kids.  And that, I believe, is a positive outcome regardless of what &#8220;cause&#8221; one may champion.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Chambers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Chambers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy, the stories don&#039;t always end like that and you know it.  Many marriages are saved from divorce and families kept together.

You almost seem thrilled that men leave their wives and families...like that is a triumph for your cause.  It&#039;s a tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, the stories don&#8217;t always end like that and you know it.  Many marriages are saved from divorce and families kept together.</p>
<p>You almost seem thrilled that men leave their wives and families&#8230;like that is a triumph for your cause.  It&#8217;s a tragedy.</p>
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