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	<title>Comments on: Chanukah: &#8220;Defeat of the Homosexual Agenda&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;ve heard this argument from anti-gay Jews before, and I don&#039;t buy it. &quot;Hellenization&quot; does not equal &quot;liberalization.&quot; In fact, I could argue that the Greeks treated women with much less respect under their laws than Jews did under G-d&#039;s laws. And, in Greek culture at the time, there was no such thing as a &quot;homosexual.&quot; 

One thing that DID occur was sexual worship of idols, and that is something Jews are against (heterosexual or otherwise.) AND, it could also be argued that the more secularizing Jews were unfairly marginalized as &quot;evil Hellenizers&quot; when really they were just trying to find some common ground in the surrounding Greek culture. the Maccabees are not to be hero-worshipped - I personally find them to be a bit backward in some of their ways. HOWEVER, the story goes that they DID fight to win back the temple which had been desecrated. So that is to be celebrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;ve heard this argument from anti-gay Jews before, and I don&#8217;t buy it. &#8220;Hellenization&#8221; does not equal &#8220;liberalization.&#8221; In fact, I could argue that the Greeks treated women with much less respect under their laws than Jews did under G-d&#8217;s laws. And, in Greek culture at the time, there was no such thing as a &#8220;homosexual.&#8221; </p>
<p>One thing that DID occur was sexual worship of idols, and that is something Jews are against (heterosexual or otherwise.) AND, it could also be argued that the more secularizing Jews were unfairly marginalized as &#8220;evil Hellenizers&#8221; when really they were just trying to find some common ground in the surrounding Greek culture. the Maccabees are not to be hero-worshipped &#8211; I personally find them to be a bit backward in some of their ways. HOWEVER, the story goes that they DID fight to win back the temple which had been desecrated. So that is to be celebrated.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, Levin

He is the one trying to disallow gay people from marching in Israel.  He says &quot;It is far worse to allow the homosexualization of the Holy Land than to give back land to the Arabs&quot;.

He&#039;s basically Israel&#039;s version of Peter LaBarbera</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, Levin</p>
<p>He is the one trying to disallow gay people from marching in Israel.  He says &#8220;It is far worse to allow the homosexualization of the Holy Land than to give back land to the Arabs&#8221;.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s basically Israel&#8217;s version of Peter LaBarbera</p>
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		<title>By: homer</title>
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		<dc:creator>homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been worshipped by an ex-Jewish bf, does that count?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been worshipped by an ex-Jewish bf, does that count?</p>
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		<title>By: Erica B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erica B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Idiot theories aren&#039;t limited to Christianity, I guess :)  The Maccabean revolt was about religion and idolatry, not sex.
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;...after Antiochus issued decrees in Judea forbidding Jewish religious practice, a rural Jewish priest from Modiin, Mattathias the Hasmonean, sparked the revolt against the Seleucid empire by refusing to worship the Greek gods.&lt;/i&gt; [also from Wikipedia]&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idiot theories aren&#8217;t limited to Christianity, I guess :)  The Maccabean revolt was about religion and idolatry, not sex.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8230;after Antiochus issued decrees in Judea forbidding Jewish religious practice, a rural Jewish priest from Modiin, Mattathias the Hasmonean, sparked the revolt against the Seleucid empire by refusing to worship the Greek gods.</i> [also from Wikipedia]</p></blockquote>
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