Comments on: Spanish Bull http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/12/30/1204 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Sun, 19 May 2013 14:07:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Paul Mc http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/12/30/1204/comment-page-1#comment-94207 Paul Mc Wed, 11 May 2011 15:04:36 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/12/30/1204#comment-94207 It pisses me off when Americans think they are the only ones who value freedom of speech and religion. Your precious 1st Amendment seems to have a chilling effect compared to the hard-won freedoms we Europeans value so highly IMO (such as the right to live equally). Love Won Out in the UK would get a very noisy reception you can be sure and one of the main lines of attack is in fact Anti-discrimination and Human Rights legislation which incorporate the European Convention On Human Rights where freedoms are carefully articulated. Your constitution is just words written by humans - it is as fallible as any human thing. It is does not result in a society noticeably freer than the one I live in. It pisses me off when Americans think they are the only ones who value freedom of speech and religion. Your precious 1st Amendment seems to have a chilling effect compared to the hard-won freedoms we Europeans value so highly IMO (such as the right to live equally).

Love Won Out in the UK would get a very noisy reception you can be sure and one of the main lines of attack is in fact Anti-discrimination and Human Rights legislation which incorporate the European Convention On Human Rights where freedoms are carefully articulated.

Your constitution is just words written by humans – it is as fallible as any human thing. It is does not result in a society noticeably freer than the one I live in.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/12/30/1204/comment-page-1#comment-5298 Patrick Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:04:36 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/12/30/1204#comment-5298 If I remember correctly, Love Won Out held a conference in Spain last year. These groups are definitely going international, but they will not meet with the "success" they have in the USA, in my opinion anyway. Europeans generally aren't as ready to accept the unscientific statements of our religious right. If I remember correctly, Love Won Out held a conference in Spain last year. These groups are definitely going international, but they will not meet with the “success” they have in the USA, in my opinion anyway. Europeans generally aren’t as ready to accept the unscientific statements of our religious right.

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/12/30/1204/comment-page-1#comment-5276 Timothy Kincaid Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:29:38 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/12/30/1204#comment-5276 At least he didn't say to drop your kid on his head. Sigh. I do, however, want to state that I am troubled by the efforts of some Spanish gay groups to silence the reorientation efforts. I recognize that other countries do not value freedoms of speech and religion in the same way that Americans do, but I do hope that this minister may continue to be allowed to preach his views, no matter how baseless they may be. At least he didn’t say to drop your kid on his head. Sigh.

I do, however, want to state that I am troubled by the efforts of some Spanish gay groups to silence the reorientation efforts. I recognize that other countries do not value freedoms of speech and religion in the same way that Americans do, but I do hope that this minister may continue to be allowed to preach his views, no matter how baseless they may be.

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