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	<title>Comments on: Were Oregon Domestic Partnerships Put on Hold by an Activist Judge?</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/12/31/1208/comment-page-1#comment-5364</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>toujoursdan,

Thanks for the link.

It is still illegal to engage in - or solicit for - public sex.

Some argue that this is discriminatory because they never seem to set up stings for heterosexuals.  Others think that the stings are so poorly conducted that they entrap people who otherwise would not engage in public sex or that the falsely capture people who want to engage in sex but not at the park bathroom.

As seems to be the case in the story you referenced.  

Clearly some officers in North Carolina think they have the right to arrest persons for solociting for “a crime against nature”.  I find it highly likely that the priest could win this case but it&#039;s not likely that he&#039;ll try.  

We&#039;ll have to wait and see.  That some officers or police departments flaunt the constitutional protections does not mean that they are not in place.  But until victims fight back there&#039;s little one can do about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>toujoursdan,</p>
<p>Thanks for the link.</p>
<p>It is still illegal to engage in &#8211; or solicit for &#8211; public sex.</p>
<p>Some argue that this is discriminatory because they never seem to set up stings for heterosexuals.  Others think that the stings are so poorly conducted that they entrap people who otherwise would not engage in public sex or that the falsely capture people who want to engage in sex but not at the park bathroom.</p>
<p>As seems to be the case in the story you referenced.  </p>
<p>Clearly some officers in North Carolina think they have the right to arrest persons for solociting for “a crime against nature”.  I find it highly likely that the priest could win this case but it&#8217;s not likely that he&#8217;ll try.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ll have to wait and see.  That some officers or police departments flaunt the constitutional protections does not mean that they are not in place.  But until victims fight back there&#8217;s little one can do about it.</p>
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		<title>By: toujoursdan</title>
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		<dc:creator>toujoursdan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure.

This is a blog entry but discusses the constitutional implications of his arrest including a statement from the ACLU.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/another_toilet_cruiser_busted&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Another toilet cruiser busted&lt;/a&gt;

You can google his name and other info and come up with other articles. It&#039;s pretty disturbing that while Sodomy laws are off the books, there remains constitutional inequality when it comes to free speech. (And what the priest did was completely immoral. He cheated on his wife. But I am not sure it should be illegal.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure.</p>
<p>This is a blog entry but discusses the constitutional implications of his arrest including a statement from the ACLU.</p>
<p><a href="http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/another_toilet_cruiser_busted" rel="nofollow">Another toilet cruiser busted</a></p>
<p>You can google his name and other info and come up with other articles. It&#8217;s pretty disturbing that while Sodomy laws are off the books, there remains constitutional inequality when it comes to free speech. (And what the priest did was completely immoral. He cheated on his wife. But I am not sure it should be illegal.)</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>toujoursdan,

can you please provide a reference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>toujoursdan,</p>
<p>can you please provide a reference?</p>
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		<title>By: toujoursdan</title>
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		<dc:creator>toujoursdan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;later regretting making the legal decision to deny the same constitutional protections to the sex life of gay couples that the Supreme Court granted to heterosexual couples. It would not be until Lawrence v. Texas in 2003 that gay persons would no longer be automatic criminals in many states.&lt;/i&gt;

Is this really true? I seem to remember a married Episcopal priest being arrested for asking an undercover cop to go back to his hotel room somewhere in North Carolina. 

Sodomy itself may not be illegal in NC but &quot;Solicitation to commit &#039;crimes against nature&#039;&quot; is still enforced. Straight people can proposition others to have straight sex legally but gay people can&#039;t evidently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>later regretting making the legal decision to deny the same constitutional protections to the sex life of gay couples that the Supreme Court granted to heterosexual couples. It would not be until Lawrence v. Texas in 2003 that gay persons would no longer be automatic criminals in many states.</i></p>
<p>Is this really true? I seem to remember a married Episcopal priest being arrested for asking an undercover cop to go back to his hotel room somewhere in North Carolina. </p>
<p>Sodomy itself may not be illegal in NC but &#8220;Solicitation to commit &#8216;crimes against nature&#8217;&#8221; is still enforced. Straight people can proposition others to have straight sex legally but gay people can&#8217;t evidently.</p>
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