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	<title>Comments on: Anti-Gay Activist David Parker Loses Appeal</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/02/01/1377/comment-page-1#comment-18593</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shannon,

I share your concern.  I agree that parents should be the ones to decide when and how sexuality should be discussed with their children.

However, that isn&#039;t what David Parker demanded.  He demanded that there be no mention whatsoever of families that were not heterosexual.  He wanted to be notified in advance of any mention of same-sex parents or families.

There are children in that school who have same-sex couples as parents.  The school could not enforce the silencing of other children about their own families and found it a ridiculous demand.

Parker wasn&#039;t interested in finding a solution.  He was interested in finding something about which he and the school COULD NOT agree so that he could make a political statement and sue the school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shannon,</p>
<p>I share your concern.  I agree that parents should be the ones to decide when and how sexuality should be discussed with their children.</p>
<p>However, that isn&#8217;t what David Parker demanded.  He demanded that there be no mention whatsoever of families that were not heterosexual.  He wanted to be notified in advance of any mention of same-sex parents or families.</p>
<p>There are children in that school who have same-sex couples as parents.  The school could not enforce the silencing of other children about their own families and found it a ridiculous demand.</p>
<p>Parker wasn&#8217;t interested in finding a solution.  He was interested in finding something about which he and the school COULD NOT agree so that he could make a political statement and sue the school.</p>
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		<title>By: a. mcewen</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/02/01/1377/comment-page-1#comment-18590</link>
		<dc:creator>a. mcewen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was NO birds and the bees talk in this case. Parker was repeatedly told this by the school. The opt-out policy he tried to stake his claim on had to do with sex education (which his son&#039;s class was not taught), not discussing differing families.

I hear a lot of folks talking about parents having the right to have a say in their child&#039;s education. I agree to a point. But not when another family (in this case sam-sex households with children) have to take a backseat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was NO birds and the bees talk in this case. Parker was repeatedly told this by the school. The opt-out policy he tried to stake his claim on had to do with sex education (which his son&#8217;s class was not taught), not discussing differing families.</p>
<p>I hear a lot of folks talking about parents having the right to have a say in their child&#8217;s education. I agree to a point. But not when another family (in this case sam-sex households with children) have to take a backseat.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/02/01/1377/comment-page-1#comment-18339</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parents should be allowed a say in what their children are taught in school when regarding social matters. I live in California, and my kids&#039; school sends home an opt out option when discussing sexual abuse. For me it is not about gay rights or anything else. It is about parenting and the public school system (government) dictating morals to children. 
I would find it absolutely unacceptable if the school required attendance of the 5th grade girls when they get their &quot;birds and the bees&quot; talk. I want to be the only one (in conjunction with their dad) to determine when, and how to tell my children sensitive issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parents should be allowed a say in what their children are taught in school when regarding social matters. I live in California, and my kids&#8217; school sends home an opt out option when discussing sexual abuse. For me it is not about gay rights or anything else. It is about parenting and the public school system (government) dictating morals to children.<br />
I would find it absolutely unacceptable if the school required attendance of the 5th grade girls when they get their &#8220;birds and the bees&#8221; talk. I want to be the only one (in conjunction with their dad) to determine when, and how to tell my children sensitive issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Algren</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/02/01/1377/comment-page-1#comment-15550</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Algren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nb says &quot;Would you have been so quick to defend the establishment if officials decided that church attendance was mandatory as they did in VA in the 1700’s?&quot;

Well no, because that would clearly be unconstitutional. As would telling all staff members, students, parents, and general layabouts around the school grounds that they can&#039;t mention the  fact that some kids in Massachusetts have a home that is led by a same gender couple.

Further, on the people vs judges issue, it was judges who decided that segregation was unconstitutional. That was a good decision too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nb says &#8220;Would you have been so quick to defend the establishment if officials decided that church attendance was mandatory as they did in VA in the 1700’s?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well no, because that would clearly be unconstitutional. As would telling all staff members, students, parents, and general layabouts around the school grounds that they can&#8217;t mention the  fact that some kids in Massachusetts have a home that is led by a same gender couple.</p>
<p>Further, on the people vs judges issue, it was judges who decided that segregation was unconstitutional. That was a good decision too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/02/01/1377/comment-page-1#comment-15549</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The only reason Gay Marriage is legal in MASS is because a group of judges (not the people) said it was. &quot;

Welcome to living in a democratic republic.  Public Opinion does not trump basic rights.  That&#039;s why we have A consitution.  The legislature can put through any law they like, but if it violates the constitution (state or federal) it&#039;s gone, and whatever was prohibited is now legal.

The constitution is there to protect us from public opinion.  So no matter how unpopular we are, we still get treated like full citizens.  The law in MA violated that basic concept without a compelling state interest, so it was struck down.  In the 4 years it&#039;s been legal in MA, the sky hasn&#039;t fallen.

Speaking of the constitution, no I wouldn&#039;t have agreed with Virgina mandatory church attendance -- it goes against the first amendment of the constitution(see a pattern?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The only reason Gay Marriage is legal in MASS is because a group of judges (not the people) said it was. &#8221;</p>
<p>Welcome to living in a democratic republic.  Public Opinion does not trump basic rights.  That&#8217;s why we have A consitution.  The legislature can put through any law they like, but if it violates the constitution (state or federal) it&#8217;s gone, and whatever was prohibited is now legal.</p>
<p>The constitution is there to protect us from public opinion.  So no matter how unpopular we are, we still get treated like full citizens.  The law in MA violated that basic concept without a compelling state interest, so it was struck down.  In the 4 years it&#8217;s been legal in MA, the sky hasn&#8217;t fallen.</p>
<p>Speaking of the constitution, no I wouldn&#8217;t have agreed with Virgina mandatory church attendance &#8212; it goes against the first amendment of the constitution(see a pattern?).</p>
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		<title>By: nb</title>
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		<dc:creator>nb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

The only reason Gay Marriage is legal in MASS is because a group of judges (not the people) said it was.  This is the whole point, politicians and civil &quot;servants&quot; deciding what is good and bad for our culture.  Would you have been so quick to defend the establishment if officials decided that church attendance was mandatory as they did in VA in the 1700&#039;s?  After all, it was the law.  

Hey I have a crazy idea...  What if the schools get back to teaching Math and Reading and leave social engineering alone.  Their track record is not trending positively.  Just take a look at the numbers of assaults, teen pregnancies, gang related activity, teen suicide etc. since the enlightenment of the 1960&#039;s.  &quot;If it feels good do it!&quot;  - To bad it doesn&#039;t feel good to the ones it is being done to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>The only reason Gay Marriage is legal in MASS is because a group of judges (not the people) said it was.  This is the whole point, politicians and civil &#8220;servants&#8221; deciding what is good and bad for our culture.  Would you have been so quick to defend the establishment if officials decided that church attendance was mandatory as they did in VA in the 1700&#8242;s?  After all, it was the law.  </p>
<p>Hey I have a crazy idea&#8230;  What if the schools get back to teaching Math and Reading and leave social engineering alone.  Their track record is not trending positively.  Just take a look at the numbers of assaults, teen pregnancies, gang related activity, teen suicide etc. since the enlightenment of the 1960&#8242;s.  &#8220;If it feels good do it!&#8221;  &#8211; To bad it doesn&#8217;t feel good to the ones it is being done to&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/02/01/1377/comment-page-1#comment-9002</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gay Marriage is legal in their state.  It is a fact of life everywhere, and will only continue to be more and more true as time progresses.  

If you don&#039;t have to talk about what Mom &amp; Dad do between the sheets in order to explain a Mom &amp; Dad family --- then there&#039;s no reason to get freaked out about telling a kid that sometimes instead of Mom &amp; Dad, it&#039;s Dad and Papi, or Momma Joy and Momma Hope.

It&#039;s like they are fighting for the right to ignore an entire class of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gay Marriage is legal in their state.  It is a fact of life everywhere, and will only continue to be more and more true as time progresses.  </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t have to talk about what Mom &amp; Dad do between the sheets in order to explain a Mom &amp; Dad family &#8212; then there&#8217;s no reason to get freaked out about telling a kid that sometimes instead of Mom &amp; Dad, it&#8217;s Dad and Papi, or Momma Joy and Momma Hope.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like they are fighting for the right to ignore an entire class of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/02/01/1377/comment-page-1#comment-6347</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they want their children to have a religious based education then they should send their children to a private religious school. Not send them to a public school and attempt to demand religious doctrine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they want their children to have a religious based education then they should send their children to a private religious school. Not send them to a public school and attempt to demand religious doctrine.</p>
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		<title>By: a. mcewen</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/02/01/1377/comment-page-1#comment-6246</link>
		<dc:creator>a. mcewen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not necessarily.

the school acted in an appropriate manner in all respects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not necessarily.</p>
<p>the school acted in an appropriate manner in all respects.</p>
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		<title>By: quo III</title>
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		<dc:creator>quo III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidents like this help to make the case that public schools should be abolished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidents like this help to make the case that public schools should be abolished.</p>
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