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		<title>By: Jos76</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/02/06/1409/comment-page-1#comment-7197</link>
		<dc:creator>Jos76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m shocked and disappointed that Huckabee would take money from struggling, hard-working Americans in order to fund his campaign.  He said in his drop-out speech that it was...&quot;the sacrifices of a truck driver in Michigan, of a housewife who sold her wedding ring on eBay and gave the contribution to the campaign, a janitor in Alabama who has a wife in a wheelchair who gave $20, not out of his abundance, but out of his poverty, so that our campaign could stay on the track.&quot;  In a bad economy, why would someone running for President take their money to fund a campaign that was clearly going to be fruitless?  What would become of the economy if selfish Huckabee were President?
Jos76
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m shocked and disappointed that Huckabee would take money from struggling, hard-working Americans in order to fund his campaign.  He said in his drop-out speech that it was&#8230;&#8221;the sacrifices of a truck driver in Michigan, of a housewife who sold her wedding ring on eBay and gave the contribution to the campaign, a janitor in Alabama who has a wife in a wheelchair who gave $20, not out of his abundance, but out of his poverty, so that our campaign could stay on the track.&#8221;  In a bad economy, why would someone running for President take their money to fund a campaign that was clearly going to be fruitless?  What would become of the economy if selfish Huckabee were President?<br />
Jos76<br />
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 03:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There should be a question mark at the end of my last sentence above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There should be a question mark at the end of my last sentence above.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben in Oakland,

I think you&#039;ve missed Jim&#039;s lessons on the difference between theocracy and theonomy.

Tristram,

I would certainly hope that a President McCain (or any other president) wouldn&#039;t select any Souters or Breyers for the courts as those two are lousy judges. 

As for you concerns about &lt;i&gt;Lawrence&lt;/i&gt; I have to assume it is rooted in that rulings results rather than in its reasoning because you offer no defense of it. Just what -- legally speaking -- makes Kennedy&#039;s view right on this matter and Scalia&#039;s view wrong</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben in Oakland,</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve missed Jim&#8217;s lessons on the difference between theocracy and theonomy.</p>
<p>Tristram,</p>
<p>I would certainly hope that a President McCain (or any other president) wouldn&#8217;t select any Souters or Breyers for the courts as those two are lousy judges. </p>
<p>As for you concerns about <i>Lawrence</i> I have to assume it is rooted in that rulings results rather than in its reasoning because you offer no defense of it. Just what &#8212; legally speaking &#8212; makes Kennedy&#8217;s view right on this matter and Scalia&#8217;s view wrong</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samantha Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what about trans people?

The way I see it, and the reason I support Obama, is that Obama has been the only candidate to step up and, in clear language, strongly support trans rights. Politically, a candidate who supports trans folk are much more likely to be supportive and comfortable with LGB folk after the election. It takes a measure of commitment to support a group that is as unpopular as we transfolk are.

Maybe Giuliani would be trans supportive considering he&#039;s a known crossdresser. On the other hand I have known more than quite a few crossdressers who are transphobic (and homophobic).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what about trans people?</p>
<p>The way I see it, and the reason I support Obama, is that Obama has been the only candidate to step up and, in clear language, strongly support trans rights. Politically, a candidate who supports trans folk are much more likely to be supportive and comfortable with LGB folk after the election. It takes a measure of commitment to support a group that is as unpopular as we transfolk are.</p>
<p>Maybe Giuliani would be trans supportive considering he&#8217;s a known crossdresser. On the other hand I have known more than quite a few crossdressers who are transphobic (and homophobic).</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

If you are familiar with Giuliani&#039;s history you will know that he was personally comfortable around gay people.  At the time of his last divorce, he moved in with a gay couple.  He was known to have many gay friends and be comfortable in gay company.

While familiarity and ease does not always indicate a support for public policy, it does give a hint at future access and appointments.

Sadly, none of the remaining candidates seem to have a personal connection with gay people or, as best we know, any close gay friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>If you are familiar with Giuliani&#8217;s history you will know that he was personally comfortable around gay people.  At the time of his last divorce, he moved in with a gay couple.  He was known to have many gay friends and be comfortable in gay company.</p>
<p>While familiarity and ease does not always indicate a support for public policy, it does give a hint at future access and appointments.</p>
<p>Sadly, none of the remaining candidates seem to have a personal connection with gay people or, as best we know, any close gay friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The candidate with the most comfort and ease with gay people, Rudy Giuliani, has been eliminated from the running.&lt;/i&gt;

What? What &quot;comfort and ease&quot; are you referring to? Maybe he did what he felt was politically expedient with the glbt community while mayor of NYC, but certainly not during his campaign. 

As far as presidential candidates, those with the most comfort and ease with the glbt community would be the Democratic main candidates (Clinton, Obama, and Edwards when he was still running) and none of the Republicans. 

Both Guiliani and Romney could have done so given their more positive, or at least more tolerant, positions when mayor/governor, but they blew that out of the water on the presidential campaign trail a long time ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The candidate with the most comfort and ease with gay people, Rudy Giuliani, has been eliminated from the running.</i></p>
<p>What? What &#8220;comfort and ease&#8221; are you referring to? Maybe he did what he felt was politically expedient with the glbt community while mayor of NYC, but certainly not during his campaign. </p>
<p>As far as presidential candidates, those with the most comfort and ease with the glbt community would be the Democratic main candidates (Clinton, Obama, and Edwards when he was still running) and none of the Republicans. </p>
<p>Both Guiliani and Romney could have done so given their more positive, or at least more tolerant, positions when mayor/governor, but they blew that out of the water on the presidential campaign trail a long time ago.</p>
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		<title>By: tristram</title>
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		<dc:creator>tristram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not as sanguine as TK and, in fact, think Ben is onto something. McCain&#039;s people are busy talking about &quot;reaching out&quot; to Rush, Laura and the like. He has back-pedaled furiously from his &quot;agents of intolerance&quot; talk and seems to be gaining momentum in his rightward swing. Let&#039;s see what sort of commitments he makes to earn Laura&#039;s love. If McCain agrees to pick his judges from CPAC&#039;s list, there are not going to be any Souters or Breyers or Anthony Kennedys to select. The direction of the Supreme Court for about two decades will be established in the next 4 years, and the SC is moving toward Scalia and his crusade to reverse the Lawrence decision. And let&#039;s see who McCain picks to share the ticket (and take over in 4 short years if he steps aside as he has intimated he might); if it&#039;s Huckabee (or any other fundamentalist theofascist), TK should think about trading in his Lincoln Logs for Legos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not as sanguine as TK and, in fact, think Ben is onto something. McCain&#8217;s people are busy talking about &#8220;reaching out&#8221; to Rush, Laura and the like. He has back-pedaled furiously from his &#8220;agents of intolerance&#8221; talk and seems to be gaining momentum in his rightward swing. Let&#8217;s see what sort of commitments he makes to earn Laura&#8217;s love. If McCain agrees to pick his judges from CPAC&#8217;s list, there are not going to be any Souters or Breyers or Anthony Kennedys to select. The direction of the Supreme Court for about two decades will be established in the next 4 years, and the SC is moving toward Scalia and his crusade to reverse the Lawrence decision. And let&#8217;s see who McCain picks to share the ticket (and take over in 4 short years if he steps aside as he has intimated he might); if it&#8217;s Huckabee (or any other fundamentalist theofascist), TK should think about trading in his Lincoln Logs for Legos.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The huckster doesn&#039;t really want to be President. Rather, he does, but it is unlikely he will be nominated and less likely that he will win.I think he will be quite happy as VP, with a hope that the presdient will make an early exit. 

I still fear a theocratic america. Our country is in such a mess, and anyone with easy answers and security blanket will appeal to the people to whom theocracy is an answer.

&quot;The handmaid&#039;s Tale&quot; is a definite possbility in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The huckster doesn&#8217;t really want to be President. Rather, he does, but it is unlikely he will be nominated and less likely that he will win.I think he will be quite happy as VP, with a hope that the presdient will make an early exit. </p>
<p>I still fear a theocratic america. Our country is in such a mess, and anyone with easy answers and security blanket will appeal to the people to whom theocracy is an answer.</p>
<p>&#8220;The handmaid&#8217;s Tale&#8221; is a definite possbility in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Ephilei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ephilei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good and thorough post. I&#039;d been wondering McCain&#039;s LGBT stance. 

LGBT issues seem non-existent in this campaign in the mass media. As a trans Christian, I hear it LGBT spheres and Evangelical spheres, but no where else. I see that as good since people will have a clear mind without others shouting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good and thorough post. I&#8217;d been wondering McCain&#8217;s LGBT stance. </p>
<p>LGBT issues seem non-existent in this campaign in the mass media. As a trans Christian, I hear it LGBT spheres and Evangelical spheres, but no where else. I see that as good since people will have a clear mind without others shouting.</p>
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