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	<title>Comments on: Jamaican Church all but Endorses Violence Against Gays</title>
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		<title>By: Mee too</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/02/18/1451/comment-page-1#comment-49514</link>
		<dc:creator>Mee too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How dare you disrespect our flag!  What if I did the same to yours??  You&#039;re not even standing up for gay people getting murdered there because some of you think it is appropriate to just abuse us when you know f*** all about Jamaica and Jamaicans, because yes, the gay people getting murdered there are Jamaicans also!  Good luck with getting people on your side, well done.  

Oh and yes, I agree you should just take your gay dollar elsewhere, you people think anyone with a bit of colour you can just abuse, because yes I come under the umbrella you talk about, you are disgusting.

anyways.....Red Stripe anyone?? Good luck with your quest now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How dare you disrespect our flag!  What if I did the same to yours??  You&#8217;re not even standing up for gay people getting murdered there because some of you think it is appropriate to just abuse us when you know f*** all about Jamaica and Jamaicans, because yes, the gay people getting murdered there are Jamaicans also!  Good luck with getting people on your side, well done.  </p>
<p>Oh and yes, I agree you should just take your gay dollar elsewhere, you people think anyone with a bit of colour you can just abuse, because yes I come under the umbrella you talk about, you are disgusting.</p>
<p>anyways&#8230;..Red Stripe anyone?? Good luck with your quest now</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/02/18/1451/comment-page-1#comment-42496</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timmy,
To you it still comes down to the almighty dollar and you think if a few million gay persons stay away from Jamaica it will crumble. Jamaica will continue to survive without the likes of you. And from what I wrote that was the only thing you felt was worthy to comment on, kinda sad isn&#039;t it. Now Tim this is my opinion, I truly believe things will someday change in Jamaica but I think the way you guys are going about will make that change take even a longer time. There is a certain part of the population who refuse to change but our world is changing and if one does not adapt to these changes one gets left behind. Don&#039;t think the outcome you are looking for is going to happen over night, don&#039;t think boycotting Jamaica and Jamaica products will make the government and the people of Jamaica miraculously change their minds and welcome you with open arms. I think what you are doing will only make them not want to change. What you guys are doing may win a few battles but lose the war in the end. Take care Tim and I sincerely mean this I wish you all the happiness in the world sir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timmy,<br />
To you it still comes down to the almighty dollar and you think if a few million gay persons stay away from Jamaica it will crumble. Jamaica will continue to survive without the likes of you. And from what I wrote that was the only thing you felt was worthy to comment on, kinda sad isn&#8217;t it. Now Tim this is my opinion, I truly believe things will someday change in Jamaica but I think the way you guys are going about will make that change take even a longer time. There is a certain part of the population who refuse to change but our world is changing and if one does not adapt to these changes one gets left behind. Don&#8217;t think the outcome you are looking for is going to happen over night, don&#8217;t think boycotting Jamaica and Jamaica products will make the government and the people of Jamaica miraculously change their minds and welcome you with open arms. I think what you are doing will only make them not want to change. What you guys are doing may win a few battles but lose the war in the end. Take care Tim and I sincerely mean this I wish you all the happiness in the world sir.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/02/18/1451/comment-page-1#comment-42446</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen,

Yes, we will take our gay dollar somewhere else.  And the dollar of our families, our friends, our neighbors and eventually our cruise ships and tourist agencies.

You will live in contentment knowing that in Jamaica you will not have garbage stuffed down your throat.  In fact, considering the extent to which Jamaica&#039;s economy is based on tourism, you may have nothing at all stuffed down your throat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen,</p>
<p>Yes, we will take our gay dollar somewhere else.  And the dollar of our families, our friends, our neighbors and eventually our cruise ships and tourist agencies.</p>
<p>You will live in contentment knowing that in Jamaica you will not have garbage stuffed down your throat.  In fact, considering the extent to which Jamaica&#8217;s economy is based on tourism, you may have nothing at all stuffed down your throat.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it amazing how the thinking process of some of these people. They must that think everyone is ruled by the dollar and if they boycott Jamaica then it will bring the country to it&#039;s knees and the government of Jamaica will change the laws to accomodate you. Keep dreaming it is never going to happen, so take your gay dollar somewhere else. When you think about it and from what the gay community is trying to push, no one should disagree when their lifestyle and if someone disagrees with them that person is homophobic, oh please come off that high donkey. And to the ones who feel that boycotting Jamaica will  produce the outcome they are looking for. In a world of billions of people the gay community is a few million. Now I have nothing against someone who is gay because we are not the same and we are all looking for happiness in this world and a gay person finds happiness with another gay person. My issue with this whole gay thing is don&#039;t try to stuff that garbage down my throat and tell me that it is acceptable. I can live in a world where I can accept what you do also I have a right to disagree with you. And if I disagree with you it is not that I am homophobic, I am disagreeing with you because it is unacceptable to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it amazing how the thinking process of some of these people. They must that think everyone is ruled by the dollar and if they boycott Jamaica then it will bring the country to it&#8217;s knees and the government of Jamaica will change the laws to accomodate you. Keep dreaming it is never going to happen, so take your gay dollar somewhere else. When you think about it and from what the gay community is trying to push, no one should disagree when their lifestyle and if someone disagrees with them that person is homophobic, oh please come off that high donkey. And to the ones who feel that boycotting Jamaica will  produce the outcome they are looking for. In a world of billions of people the gay community is a few million. Now I have nothing against someone who is gay because we are not the same and we are all looking for happiness in this world and a gay person finds happiness with another gay person. My issue with this whole gay thing is don&#8217;t try to stuff that garbage down my throat and tell me that it is acceptable. I can live in a world where I can accept what you do also I have a right to disagree with you. And if I disagree with you it is not that I am homophobic, I am disagreeing with you because it is unacceptable to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanna say that in every country there&#039;s good and bad, there is no perfect place in this world. I am a lesbian jamaican and there are plenty of gay jamaicans in this world. As for Jamaican ppl I&#039;m not saying you have to accept the gay lifestyle cause everyone makes their choice in this world. But some of you need to look into yourself if you don&#039;t like your neighbour I&#039;m sure you don&#039;t bang down their door and beat them to death. You can ride in a taxi with an old friend who you now hate and be just fine but you refuse to walk on the same ground as a gay person who you never meet in your life. I love my country I spent my best years there I actually found my way into this lifestyle while I was living there so its not just a &quot;foreign thing.&quot; I strongly doubt that things will change but it is not ok. NO ONE IN THIS WORLD HAS A RIGHT TO TAKE ANOTHER HUMAN BEINGS LIFE!! Leave it up to God. &quot;you are a child of the universe, no less than the tress and the stars, you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.&quot;  I wouldn&#039;t give up being a Jamaican for anything in the world. We should all learn to respect one another we were all born into this world alone, we will die alone, and we will be judged alone.

The blood on the flag is drastic but look how quickly it got your attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanna say that in every country there&#8217;s good and bad, there is no perfect place in this world. I am a lesbian jamaican and there are plenty of gay jamaicans in this world. As for Jamaican ppl I&#8217;m not saying you have to accept the gay lifestyle cause everyone makes their choice in this world. But some of you need to look into yourself if you don&#8217;t like your neighbour I&#8217;m sure you don&#8217;t bang down their door and beat them to death. You can ride in a taxi with an old friend who you now hate and be just fine but you refuse to walk on the same ground as a gay person who you never meet in your life. I love my country I spent my best years there I actually found my way into this lifestyle while I was living there so its not just a &#8220;foreign thing.&#8221; I strongly doubt that things will change but it is not ok. NO ONE IN THIS WORLD HAS A RIGHT TO TAKE ANOTHER HUMAN BEINGS LIFE!! Leave it up to God. &#8220;you are a child of the universe, no less than the tress and the stars, you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.&#8221;  I wouldn&#8217;t give up being a Jamaican for anything in the world. We should all learn to respect one another we were all born into this world alone, we will die alone, and we will be judged alone.</p>
<p>The blood on the flag is drastic but look how quickly it got your attention.</p>
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		<title>By: tammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 04:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why are u disrespecting our flag when your just u a tourist who only VISITS JAMAICA and doesnt know the real jamaica and stays for what? 2 weeks! you have no right to judge our country</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why are u disrespecting our flag when your just u a tourist who only VISITS JAMAICA and doesnt know the real jamaica and stays for what? 2 weeks! you have no right to judge our country</p>
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		<title>By: Callum</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/02/18/1451/comment-page-1#comment-36888</link>
		<dc:creator>Callum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamaica is not violent at all except for one town, but all countries have one dangerous town; don&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamaica is not violent at all except for one town, but all countries have one dangerous town; don&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Boycott Jamaica &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Timothy Kincaid: Travel Warning - Stay Away From Jamaica - Promote Justice for GLBT Jamaicans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boycott Jamaica &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Timothy Kincaid: Travel Warning - Stay Away From Jamaica - Promote Justice for GLBT Jamaicans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - of violence towards gays. All of the voices of authority, be they community, political, media, or religious, are virtually unanimous in defense of the abusers and in condemnation of gay [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; of violence towards gays. All of the voices of authority, be they community, political, media, or religious, are virtually unanimous in defense of the abusers and in condemnation of gay [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Yeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand by my words.  Jamaica falls into the infamous club of the poor, religion-obsessed, violently anti-gay nations.  And in all of these cultures, there is a confluence of fundamentalism, poverty, and failure to achieve when compared to the rest of the world.  They limp forward while the others run, and they cling to their moral traditions as a justification and their lackluster progress as a sign of their inner virtue.  There is much talk of God&#039;s judgment, but in these hellish places  God&#039;s judgment isn&#039;t good enough for the population. They want to throw a little of their own judgment in as well. Scream a few insults in the name of &quot;reaching out in love.&quot;  Mutter a few disapproving words about beating gays to death, but don&#039;t do anything about it.  It is the same.  Jamaica, Eastern Europe, the Southern U.S., the Middle East.  So different, but so much alike.

As far as Jamaica goes - I doubt there will ever be a heterosexual person who will lead a campaign against anti-gay violence.  It will never happen, because they know that same toxic, unthinking, pious rage will then be turned against them. Where there is hate, there is generally little courage or honor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand by my words.  Jamaica falls into the infamous club of the poor, religion-obsessed, violently anti-gay nations.  And in all of these cultures, there is a confluence of fundamentalism, poverty, and failure to achieve when compared to the rest of the world.  They limp forward while the others run, and they cling to their moral traditions as a justification and their lackluster progress as a sign of their inner virtue.  There is much talk of God&#8217;s judgment, but in these hellish places  God&#8217;s judgment isn&#8217;t good enough for the population. They want to throw a little of their own judgment in as well. Scream a few insults in the name of &#8220;reaching out in love.&#8221;  Mutter a few disapproving words about beating gays to death, but don&#8217;t do anything about it.  It is the same.  Jamaica, Eastern Europe, the Southern U.S., the Middle East.  So different, but so much alike.</p>
<p>As far as Jamaica goes &#8211; I doubt there will ever be a heterosexual person who will lead a campaign against anti-gay violence.  It will never happen, because they know that same toxic, unthinking, pious rage will then be turned against them. Where there is hate, there is generally little courage or honor.</p>
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		<title>By: Sashawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sashawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate reading about how Jamaican&#039;s are wicked and violent, etc. I&#039;m a Jamaican and anyone else who is Jamaican knows that as much violence as their is in Jamaica that we are very biblical people and that is one of the reasons why Jamaicans are so homophobic. We are not going to conform to the world and accept homosexual relationships but at the same time i do not think its right for us to beat and hate someone for who they are and Jamaicans need to stop that. But as far as making homosexual marriages legal and pretending that we agree with homosexual behavior goes it&#039;s not happening. The violence needs to stop but we will never conform to the rest of the world. By the way, in response to yeek&#039;s comment only wicked people go against God and the way he intended for something as sacred as marriage between a man and a women and put their own twist on it. I don&#039;t plan on arguing about this because God will judge all. I have sins too that I will be judged for but all you homosexuals will be judged for your sin as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate reading about how Jamaican&#8217;s are wicked and violent, etc. I&#8217;m a Jamaican and anyone else who is Jamaican knows that as much violence as their is in Jamaica that we are very biblical people and that is one of the reasons why Jamaicans are so homophobic. We are not going to conform to the world and accept homosexual relationships but at the same time i do not think its right for us to beat and hate someone for who they are and Jamaicans need to stop that. But as far as making homosexual marriages legal and pretending that we agree with homosexual behavior goes it&#8217;s not happening. The violence needs to stop but we will never conform to the rest of the world. By the way, in response to yeek&#8217;s comment only wicked people go against God and the way he intended for something as sacred as marriage between a man and a women and put their own twist on it. I don&#8217;t plan on arguing about this because God will judge all. I have sins too that I will be judged for but all you homosexuals will be judged for your sin as well.</p>
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