Comments on: Student Senate Says No To Funding Mike Haley’s Speech http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Sun, 12 Feb 2012 04:03:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Jon http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532/comment-page-1#comment-16586 Jon Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:18:31 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532#comment-16586 People listening to unlearned nonsense like Haley's should start reading. Read widely. Start with the pre-Socratics and don't stop until you get through at least Kant. Try Foucault and understand changes in the medical field, particularly in psychology, during the last one hundred years. If you're straight, overcome your irrational fear of homosexuality; if you're gay, embrace that component of yourself. You're entitled to have the full range of human experiences assumed by your straight counterparts. Shut out anyone who tries to convince you otherwise. People listening to unlearned nonsense like Haley’s should start reading. Read widely. Start with the pre-Socratics and don’t stop until you get through at least Kant. Try Foucault and understand changes in the medical field, particularly in psychology, during the last one hundred years. If you’re straight, overcome your irrational fear of homosexuality; if you’re gay, embrace that component of yourself. You’re entitled to have the full range of human experiences assumed by your straight counterparts. Shut out anyone who tries to convince you otherwise.

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532/comment-page-1#comment-8815 Timothy Kincaid Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:21:48 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532#comment-8815 truth comes out, I wasn't there, but it appears that you were. Can you please clarify for me? When he spoke about people being free to live their lives, did he also mean the freedom to marry the person they love? Or did he speak out about protecting marriage? Did he mention any other social issues such as the ban in the military, hate crimes laws, anti-discrimination laws, or other civil legislation? Did he talk about removing "the homosexual agenda" from schools? Did Haley imply that "change" can be achieved in orientation? Did he misquote Jones and Yarhouse? Did he talk about "tens (or hundreds) of thousands" who had "walked away from homosexuality"? Or did he explain that efforts to change orientaion are very rarely successful and then never complete? If Haley came to find common ground or build bridges, then his words are most welcome. But if Haley came to stir up political activism against a minority population or to offer false hope, then I'm sure you can understand how I would find him objectionable. truth comes out,

I wasn’t there, but it appears that you were. Can you please clarify for me?

When he spoke about people being free to live their lives, did he also mean the freedom to marry the person they love? Or did he speak out about protecting marriage?

Did he mention any other social issues such as the ban in the military, hate crimes laws, anti-discrimination laws, or other civil legislation? Did he talk about removing “the homosexual agenda” from schools?

Did Haley imply that “change” can be achieved in orientation? Did he misquote Jones and Yarhouse? Did he talk about “tens (or hundreds) of thousands” who had “walked away from homosexuality”? Or did he explain that efforts to change orientaion are very rarely successful and then never complete?

If Haley came to find common ground or build bridges, then his words are most welcome.

But if Haley came to stir up political activism against a minority population or to offer false hope, then I’m sure you can understand how I would find him objectionable.

]]> By: truth comes out http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532/comment-page-1#comment-8774 truth comes out Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:03:04 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532#comment-8774 Emily K...Were you there? Did you hear his message? His said numerous times that we need to be more tolerant of each other, people should be free to live their lives however they choose, we need to have mutual respect for each other, and finally people should be given choices on how they can live their lives. How is that devalue them as human beings? Maybe you shouldn't make assumptions about his message when you weren't there. Emily K…Were you there? Did you hear his message? His said numerous times that we need to be more tolerant of each other, people should be free to live their lives however they choose, we need to have mutual respect for each other, and finally people should be given choices on how they can live their lives. How is that devalue them as human beings? Maybe you shouldn’t make assumptions about his message when you weren’t there.

]]> By: Jason D http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532/comment-page-1#comment-8721 Jason D Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:39:20 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532#comment-8721 <b>CHANGE IS POSSIBLE!*</b> <i>* This statement has not been evaluated by the FDA. Change may or may not include a change in perspective and or behavior. Homosexual thoughts, desires, dreams, and feelings may still occur. In clincal studies, "changed" individuals did experience some persistent homosexual thoughts, ideas, dreams, and desires. Side effects may include, loss of libido, depression and or suicidal thoughts. Marriage to the opposite sex is not recommended. Change may not be permanent. Change may not be possible for most consumers. Results will vary. CHANGE IS POSSIBLE!*

* This statement has not been evaluated by the FDA. Change may or may not include a change in perspective and or behavior. Homosexual thoughts, desires, dreams, and feelings may still occur. In clincal studies, “changed” individuals did experience some persistent homosexual thoughts, ideas, dreams, and desires. Side effects may include, loss of libido, depression and or suicidal thoughts. Marriage to the opposite sex is not recommended. Change may not be permanent. Change may not be possible for most consumers. Results will vary.

]]> By: Emily K http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532/comment-page-1#comment-8715 Emily K Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:57:43 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532#comment-8715 "about half in attendence were there in support of GLBT causes and groups and they walked away in awe of the message that Mike gave." More likely they walked away in sadness and stunned silence. The message that they are devalued as a human being because of the way they love another human being is depressing and, when you get right down to it, evil and hateful - the OPPOSITE of love. "truth comes out" - lolz, nice alias... “about half in attendence were there in support of GLBT causes and groups and they walked away in awe of the message that Mike gave.”

More likely they walked away in sadness and stunned silence. The message that they are devalued as a human being because of the way they love another human being is depressing and, when you get right down to it, evil and hateful – the OPPOSITE of love.

“truth comes out” – lolz, nice alias…

]]> By: Patrick http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532/comment-page-1#comment-8713 Patrick Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:22:03 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532#comment-8713 $1200 bucks to find out that “[T]he opposite of homosexuality is not heterosexuality—it’s holiness.” And that freedom from homosexuality is: “A freedom that for some will include heterosexual desires.” (Emphasis in original) What I love about this line of his (opposite of homosexuality is holiness - aka purity) is that he is arguing homosexuality is a purity violation - that, of course, is consistent with what many pro-gay theologians say is at the heart of the Old Testament condemnation. It's important because we are no longer under the purity code. $1200 bucks to find out that “[T]he opposite of homosexuality is not heterosexuality—it’s holiness.” And that freedom from homosexuality is: “A freedom that for some will include heterosexual desires.” (Emphasis in original)

What I love about this line of his (opposite of homosexuality is holiness – aka purity) is that he is arguing homosexuality is a purity violation – that, of course, is consistent with what many pro-gay theologians say is at the heart of the Old Testament condemnation. It’s important because we are no longer under the purity code.

]]> By: truth comes out http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532/comment-page-1#comment-8712 truth comes out Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:02:07 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532#comment-8712 FYI: The Campus Crusade group found funding for the event and he spoke there on this last Monday. It turned into the largest event held at the college in years. Mike gave a message of hope and tolerance. He really did a lot to bridge the gap between the Christian and Homosexual communities. About half in attendence were there in support of GLBT causes and groups and they walked away in awe of the message that Mike gave. FYI: The Campus Crusade group found funding for the event and he spoke there on this last Monday. It turned into the largest event held at the college in years. Mike gave a message of hope and tolerance. He really did a lot to bridge the gap between the Christian and Homosexual communities. About half in attendence were there in support of GLBT causes and groups and they walked away in awe of the message that Mike gave.

]]> By: Victoria http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532/comment-page-1#comment-7610 Victoria Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:34:50 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532#comment-7610 I would like to update on this story since I live in Nebraska. Hayel will be speaking on May 31st the Campus Crusade raised the money through local churches. There will be a speaker on April 2 that tells a different story of how these ministries and ideas are harmful. The speaker is myself. I would like to update on this story since I live in Nebraska. Hayel will be speaking on May 31st the Campus Crusade raised the money through local churches.

There will be a speaker on April 2 that tells a different story of how these ministries and ideas are harmful. The speaker is myself.

]]> By: allan http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532/comment-page-1#comment-7119 allan Mon, 03 Mar 2008 04:14:45 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532#comment-7119 lol. Good for them! lol.
Good for them!

]]> By: Suricou Raven http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532/comment-page-1#comment-7115 Suricou Raven Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:44:45 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/01/1532#comment-7115 The purpose of this isn't to educate, its to legitimise - people will respect advice more of they have paid heavily for it, even if its really bad. Example, http://www.designreality.co.uk/product/blog/?p=4 The purpose of this isn’t to educate, its to legitimise – people will respect advice more of they have paid heavily for it, even if its really bad.

Example, http://www.designreality.co.uk/product/blog/?p=4

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