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	<title>Comments on: OK State Rep. Sally Kern&#8217;s Son is &#8220;Straight and Not Gay&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...now that I think about it, it&#039;s true. Some gay men go that route and save themselves as per the instructions of their churches.
 32 years old. That&#039;s a long wait.

  He kind of reminds me of what I picked up in other ex gays or ex sexuals.
  The kind of women or men who would be into them...would have to be someone universally beige, if they are close to his own age.
Or simply inexperienced if they are very young.
  In a way...correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but there is something a little (or more than a little off) about that. The ages between 17 and 30 are the BEST for truly exploring one&#039;s hotness-who you want and how to attract them.
  I mean in the sense of BEING enticing and attractive and not having to WAIT or save anything.
Especially not that long. I understand about the work involved in building a good relationship and having at least had experience with someone interesting that arouses all manner of spiritual and intellectual passion if not physical, I would think is in the realm of possibility LONG before one&#039;s 30&#039;s.

    I can only think of a few gay men who would attract a straight woman who is paying attention.
  And only a few lesbians who would attract a straight man. A Portia DiRossi, for example.
But gee, Jesse...beige isn&#039;t even fun when you&#039;re picking drapes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;now that I think about it, it&#8217;s true. Some gay men go that route and save themselves as per the instructions of their churches.<br />
 32 years old. That&#8217;s a long wait.</p>
<p>  He kind of reminds me of what I picked up in other ex gays or ex sexuals.<br />
  The kind of women or men who would be into them&#8230;would have to be someone universally beige, if they are close to his own age.<br />
Or simply inexperienced if they are very young.<br />
  In a way&#8230;correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but there is something a little (or more than a little off) about that. The ages between 17 and 30 are the BEST for truly exploring one&#8217;s hotness-who you want and how to attract them.<br />
  I mean in the sense of BEING enticing and attractive and not having to WAIT or save anything.<br />
Especially not that long. I understand about the work involved in building a good relationship and having at least had experience with someone interesting that arouses all manner of spiritual and intellectual passion if not physical, I would think is in the realm of possibility LONG before one&#8217;s 30&#8242;s.</p>
<p>    I can only think of a few gay men who would attract a straight woman who is paying attention.<br />
  And only a few lesbians who would attract a straight man. A Portia DiRossi, for example.<br />
But gee, Jesse&#8230;beige isn&#8217;t even fun when you&#8217;re picking drapes.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok...so Jesse Kern is a virgin. Or is he ex sexual? Either way, he sounds boring. NEXT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok&#8230;so Jesse Kern is a virgin. Or is he ex sexual? Either way, he sounds boring. NEXT!</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;(The arrest would presumably have been because the sexual activity wasn’t consensual.)&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think we can make that assumption.  In Oklahoma in 1989 sodomy laws were still on the books and selectively enforced.

It probably wasn&#039;t consensual sex in someone&#039;s home.  So I suspect it was more along the lines of sex in the bushes or some restroom park.  Which makes me assume it was most likely same-sex activity.

But none of this matters as it was very likely NOT Sally&#039;s son.  It might, however, be a brother-in-law or cousin as Jesse might be a family name.  I would not be surprised at a family link since Sally seems so fired up about this danger &quot;worse than terrorism&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>(The arrest would presumably have been because the sexual activity wasn’t consensual.)</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we can make that assumption.  In Oklahoma in 1989 sodomy laws were still on the books and selectively enforced.</p>
<p>It probably wasn&#8217;t consensual sex in someone&#8217;s home.  So I suspect it was more along the lines of sex in the bushes or some restroom park.  Which makes me assume it was most likely same-sex activity.</p>
<p>But none of this matters as it was very likely NOT Sally&#8217;s son.  It might, however, be a brother-in-law or cousin as Jesse might be a family name.  I would not be surprised at a family link since Sally seems so fired up about this danger &#8220;worse than terrorism&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Lanigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Lanigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.

From my understanding, anti-sodomy laws have been rarely enforced against heterosexuals in the 20th century in Canada. Although as you correctly point out, sodomy technically applies to both hetero and homo activities.


Is this also not the case in the United States?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>From my understanding, anti-sodomy laws have been rarely enforced against heterosexuals in the 20th century in Canada. Although as you correctly point out, sodomy technically applies to both hetero and homo activities.</p>
<p>Is this also not the case in the United States?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

&quot;Oral sodomy&quot; is just oral sex. Sodomy is a catch-all term for sexual activity other than the reproductive act.

Oral sodomy could just as easily occur between a man and a woman as between two men. You learned nothing about the sexuality of the Jesse Kern of your article from his 1989 arrest. (The arrest would presumably have been because the sexual activity wasn&#039;t consensual.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>&#8220;Oral sodomy&#8221; is just oral sex. Sodomy is a catch-all term for sexual activity other than the reproductive act.</p>
<p>Oral sodomy could just as easily occur between a man and a woman as between two men. You learned nothing about the sexuality of the Jesse Kern of your article from his 1989 arrest. (The arrest would presumably have been because the sexual activity wasn&#8217;t consensual.)</p>
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		<title>By: Emproph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emproph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;he wants it known that he is &quot;straight and not gay.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well now that that&#039;s cleared u--oops:&lt;blockquote&gt;The School of Metaphysics&lt;/blockquote&gt;I don&#039;t know what it&#039;s worth, but for what it is worth, my best friend graduated from the School of Metaphysics (he now comes to me for regular philosophical tune ups). 

And this little Jesse Kern boy, why he&#039;s just as cute as a button.

His &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cwfa.org/articles/14871/CFI/misc/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;concerned&lt;/a&gt; mother speaks highly of him @12:35:

&lt;blockquote&gt;MATT BARBER: Well, let me ask you this. If your son &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; homosexual, would you love him any less?

SALLY KERN: Oh listen, I would love my son. I’m proud of him, he’s a talented, gifted musician, and he has made me so proud. He was interviewed. He got a call, yesterday by uh, our biggest newspaper here in the nation, in the state-excuse me, and they asked him that question, and he was so ticked off at it, first he said, you know, I really don’t know what my sexuality has to with any of this, but I’ll just tell you right off, I am straight, I’m not homosexual. Matter of fact I have taken a vow of celibacy, I did it when I was in the, a senior in high school, and at that point the reporter said, you mean you’ve never had sex? And he says, that’s right. You know, he still has his purity ring on.

MATT BARBER: Saving himself for marriage?

SALLY KERN: Well, yes, I hope so, one of these days. He is 32.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So, Jesse... When abouts was ya planning on telling her about the whole reincarnation and karma thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>he wants it known that he is &#8220;straight and not gay.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Well now that that&#8217;s cleared u&#8211;oops:<br />
<blockquote>The School of Metaphysics</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what it&#8217;s worth, but for what it is worth, my best friend graduated from the School of Metaphysics (he now comes to me for regular philosophical tune ups). </p>
<p>And this little Jesse Kern boy, why he&#8217;s just as cute as a button.</p>
<p>His <a href="http://www.cwfa.org/articles/14871/CFI/misc/index.htm" rel="nofollow">concerned</a> mother speaks highly of him @12:35:</p>
<blockquote><p>MATT BARBER: Well, let me ask you this. If your son <i>were</i> homosexual, would you love him any less?</p>
<p>SALLY KERN: Oh listen, I would love my son. I’m proud of him, he’s a talented, gifted musician, and he has made me so proud. He was interviewed. He got a call, yesterday by uh, our biggest newspaper here in the nation, in the state-excuse me, and they asked him that question, and he was so ticked off at it, first he said, you know, I really don’t know what my sexuality has to with any of this, but I’ll just tell you right off, I am straight, I’m not homosexual. Matter of fact I have taken a vow of celibacy, I did it when I was in the, a senior in high school, and at that point the reporter said, you mean you’ve never had sex? And he says, that’s right. You know, he still has his purity ring on.</p>
<p>MATT BARBER: Saving himself for marriage?</p>
<p>SALLY KERN: Well, yes, I hope so, one of these days. He is 32.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, Jesse&#8230; When abouts was ya planning on telling her about the whole reincarnation and karma thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an update: Jesse Kern’s isn’t just “affiliated” with the Des Moines School of Metaphysics. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.som.org/NewPages/Newsite07/SOMBar/locations/desmoines.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;He’s the director&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an update: Jesse Kern’s isn’t just “affiliated” with the Des Moines School of Metaphysics. <a href="http://www.som.org/NewPages/Newsite07/SOMBar/locations/desmoines.htm" rel="nofollow">He’s the director</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Lanigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Lanigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. 12 is unlikely age for &quot;oral sodomoy&quot;.

BTW - What is oral sodomy? I have never encountered that expression before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. 12 is unlikely age for &#8220;oral sodomoy&#8221;.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; What is oral sodomy? I have never encountered that expression before.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas poor Kerns.  Jesse isn&#039;t gay, he&#039;s metaphysical.  Eeeek.

Now not only is he a family embarassment amongst the good Baptist folk who attend their church, but none of them are completely sure why.

Now they get to suffer all the &quot;poor Sally, her son doesn&#039;t love Jesus&quot; without any of the sympathy that comes to homophobic parents that &quot;fight Satan&quot; by disowning their kids.

If she weren&#039;t so evil, I&#039;d feel pity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas poor Kerns.  Jesse isn&#8217;t gay, he&#8217;s metaphysical.  Eeeek.</p>
<p>Now not only is he a family embarassment amongst the good Baptist folk who attend their church, but none of them are completely sure why.</p>
<p>Now they get to suffer all the &#8220;poor Sally, her son doesn&#8217;t love Jesus&#8221; without any of the sympathy that comes to homophobic parents that &#8220;fight Satan&#8221; by disowning their kids.</p>
<p>If she weren&#8217;t so evil, I&#8217;d feel pity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the Tulsa World article, Jesse Kern is 31. The charges you linked to are dated 1989. If Jesse really is 31, then he was only 12 when this case was dismissed. Either he&#039;s really not 31 today, or this is likely to be a different Jesse Kern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the Tulsa World article, Jesse Kern is 31. The charges you linked to are dated 1989. If Jesse really is 31, then he was only 12 when this case was dismissed. Either he&#8217;s really not 31 today, or this is likely to be a different Jesse Kern.</p>
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