Comments on: Glenn Stanton Responds to CitizenLink story http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:57:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Emproph http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653/comment-page-1#comment-7862 Emproph Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:08:40 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653#comment-7862 <blockquote>peace.</blockquote> And also with <a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,003.htm" rel="nofollow">you</a>.

peace.

And also with you.

]]> By: Glenn http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653/comment-page-1#comment-7861 Glenn Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:23:33 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653#comment-7861 Actually Emproph, I am more of an "old-earther" and believe that the Big Bang is not at odds with how most conservative Christians understand Creation. And as I said in my explanation, people often exceed the stereotypes others hold about them. peace. Actually Emproph, I am more of an “old-earther” and believe that the Big Bang is not at odds with how most conservative Christians understand Creation.

And as I said in my explanation, people often exceed the stereotypes others hold about them.

peace.

]]> By: Stanton Makes Excuse for Article Controversy, Citizenlink Still Not off the Hook | Ex-Gay Watch http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653/comment-page-1#comment-7852 Stanton Makes Excuse for Article Controversy, Citizenlink Still Not off the Hook | Ex-Gay Watch Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:16:46 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653#comment-7852 [...] Earlier this week, XGW detailed how Citizenlink, the official news service of Focus on the Family, rewrote an entire article following a storm of controversy in which anthropologists, including the American Anthropology Association, disputed claims of a “consensus” on the nature of “traditional marriage”. Now Stanton, the researcher supposedly behind the claims, has given Box Turtle Bulletin his side of the story. [...] [...] Earlier this week, XGW detailed how Citizenlink, the official news service of Focus on the Family, rewrote an entire article following a storm of controversy in which anthropologists, including the American Anthropology Association, disputed claims of a “consensus” on the nature of “traditional marriage”. Now Stanton, the researcher supposedly behind the claims, has given Box Turtle Bulletin his side of the story. [...]

]]> By: Truth Wins Out - Fighting Right Wing Lies and the 'Ex-Gay' Fraud http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653/comment-page-1#comment-7851 Truth Wins Out - Fighting Right Wing Lies and the 'Ex-Gay' Fraud Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:02:07 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653#comment-7851 [...] Acknowledging his role in cultural warfare, Glenn Stanton of Focus on the Family declines to acknowledge that his employer covered up numerous false claims in a widely distributed and uncorrected press [...] [...] Acknowledging his role in cultural warfare, Glenn Stanton of Focus on the Family declines to acknowledge that his employer covered up numerous false claims in a widely distributed and uncorrected press [...]

]]> By: Emproph http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653/comment-page-1#comment-7834 Emproph Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:42:33 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653#comment-7834 <blockquote>Yes, that’s right. Glenn Stanton and real-life anthropologist Patrick M. Chapman will be discussing Stanton’s paper, <a href="http://www.citizenlink.org/pdfs/fosi/marriage/DifferingDefinitionsofMarriage.pdf" rel="nofollow">"Differing Definitions of Marriage and Family"</a> (PDF: 80KB/10 pages) on this very web site. Stay tuned.</blockquote> How can you have a discussion on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology" rel="nofollow">anthropology</a> when one of the participants thinks the Earth is only 6000 years old? Wouldn’t you have to start with a discussion on geology?

Yes, that’s right. Glenn Stanton and real-life anthropologist Patrick M. Chapman will be discussing Stanton’s paper, “Differing Definitions of Marriage and Family” (PDF: 80KB/10 pages) on this very web site. Stay tuned.

How can you have a discussion on anthropology when one of the participants thinks the Earth is only 6000 years old?

Wouldn’t you have to start with a discussion on geology?

]]> By: Dave Rattigan http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653/comment-page-1#comment-7806 Dave Rattigan Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:42:00 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653#comment-7806 Glenn, you clarified your meaning in the opening sentence, but were you planning on addressing any of the other issues raised? For example, you wrongly stated that Ex-Gay Watch made insinuations about the contents and timing of your paper. Glenn, you clarified your meaning in the opening sentence, but were you planning on addressing any of the other issues raised? For example, you wrongly stated that Ex-Gay Watch made insinuations about the contents and timing of your paper.

]]> By: Bruce Garrett http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653/comment-page-1#comment-7804 Bruce Garrett Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:15:39 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653#comment-7804 Question: Why didn't CitizenLink simply acknowledge the correction, if that's what it was, in the replacement article? If you're fighting a culture war Mr. Stanton, then I suppose the object is simply to win it. That's how it is with wars. On the other hand, if you are fighting for traditional values like...oh...morality, decency, integrity, truthfulness, rectitude, those sorts of things, then first you need to <i>Be</i> those things. Are you fighting a culture war Mr. Stanton or are you fighting for integrity and decency in a world where anything goes? Anything goes can win a culture war, but not a fight for integrity and decency. Question: Why didn’t CitizenLink simply acknowledge the correction, if that’s what it was, in the replacement article?

If you’re fighting a culture war Mr. Stanton, then I suppose the object is simply to win it. That’s how it is with wars. On the other hand, if you are fighting for traditional values like…oh…morality, decency, integrity, truthfulness, rectitude, those sorts of things, then first you need to Be those things. Are you fighting a culture war Mr. Stanton or are you fighting for integrity and decency in a world where anything goes? Anything goes can win a culture war, but not a fight for integrity and decency.

]]> By: Jason D http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653/comment-page-1#comment-7797 Jason D Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:57:07 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653#comment-7797 encouraging but suspicious nonetheless. Stanton should be aware at this point between Cameron's distortions and the outright lies and misinformation that gets regurgitated ad nauseum -- we have reason to be skeptical. For goodness sake we have randy thomas using marketing surveys to "prove" we're too rich to be a minority. I'll be sure to show that article to all the homeless LGBT youth I see at the Center On Halsted here in Chicago. Also considering that CitzenLink attempted to smear XGW is a big clue. When someone can't counter you on your facts or your logic, they are only left with personal attacks."Oh, you're just a blog, not real journalists!" Glenn seems to be quick to defend CitzenLink's shoddy journalism, but if I were him and wanted to be taken seriously, and have my work respected, I would have my work printed by a reliable source and distance myself from anyone who makes such unprofessional errors. encouraging but suspicious nonetheless.

Stanton should be aware at this point between Cameron’s distortions and the outright lies and misinformation that gets regurgitated ad nauseum — we have reason to be skeptical. For goodness sake we have randy thomas using marketing surveys to “prove” we’re too rich to be a minority. I’ll be sure to show that article to all the homeless LGBT youth I see at the Center On Halsted here in Chicago.

Also considering that CitzenLink attempted to smear XGW is a big clue. When someone can’t counter you on your facts or your logic, they are only left with personal attacks.”Oh, you’re just a blog, not real journalists!”

Glenn seems to be quick to defend CitzenLink’s shoddy journalism, but if I were him and wanted to be taken seriously, and have my work respected, I would have my work printed by a reliable source and distance myself from anyone who makes such unprofessional errors.

]]> By: Glenn http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653/comment-page-1#comment-7795 Glenn Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:31:36 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653#comment-7795 Yes Dave, you read me exactly right. I was saying it LOOKED that way, not that it WAS that way. Thank you for asking. :-) Yes Dave, you read me exactly right. I was saying it LOOKED that way, not that it WAS that way. Thank you for asking. :-)

]]> By: Dave Rattigan http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653/comment-page-1#comment-7781 Dave Rattigan Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:06:34 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/18/1653#comment-7781 I'm a bit confused now. "Yes, it looks like Focus on the Family did a sneaky bait and switch on the anthropology article that has been discussed at the BoxTurtle." I read that as "Yes, it LOOKS like there was a sneaky bait and switch, but really there wasn't," where David Roberts read it as "A sneaky bait and switch is all it was." Can Mr Stanton clarify? I’m a bit confused now.

“Yes, it looks like Focus on the Family did a sneaky bait and switch on the anthropology article that has been discussed at the BoxTurtle.”

I read that as “Yes, it LOOKS like there was a sneaky bait and switch, but really there wasn’t,” where David Roberts read it as “A sneaky bait and switch is all it was.”

Can Mr Stanton clarify?

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