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	<title>Comments on: Has Ex-gay Leader John Smid Stepped Down?</title>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I think this thread -- a rather old one at that -- has devolved to a very off-topic conversation, one that obviously isn&#039;t getting anywhere or illuminating anyone. Mr. Scott already has one web site devoted to his mission, he doesn&#039;t need another one here. And those who keep engaging him aren&#039;t going to exactly change his mind, or come to a satisfactory resolution to their concerns.

That said, I do appreciate Mr. Scott coming by to update us on what Mr. Smid is doing these days.

Beyond that, I&#039;m going to go ahead and shut down comments here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I think this thread &#8212; a rather old one at that &#8212; has devolved to a very off-topic conversation, one that obviously isn&#8217;t getting anywhere or illuminating anyone. Mr. Scott already has one web site devoted to his mission, he doesn&#8217;t need another one here. And those who keep engaging him aren&#8217;t going to exactly change his mind, or come to a satisfactory resolution to their concerns.</p>
<p>That said, I do appreciate Mr. Scott coming by to update us on what Mr. Smid is doing these days.</p>
<p>Beyond that, I&#8217;m going to go ahead and shut down comments here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desiree,

It is sad that you can not love people without getting something in return. You see love is the same thing as charity. Charity is love when you do not even know the ultimate beneficiary of your love, and do not require anything in return

Jim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desiree,</p>
<p>It is sad that you can not love people without getting something in return. You see love is the same thing as charity. Charity is love when you do not even know the ultimate beneficiary of your love, and do not require anything in return</p>
<p>Jim.</p>
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		<title>By: Désirée</title>
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		<dc:creator>Désirée</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, no you don&#039;t.  You don&#039;t know him so you can&#039;t possibly love him.  You are just demonstaring how far removed from the reality of the word you are.  To love someone requires that you share in that person&#039;s life, it requires that you share values with that person, it requires that you are willing to put that person&#039;s happiness and well being above your own.  Love means knowing that your life would be emptier without that person in it.

You cannot love someone you haven&#039;t met. It&#039;s impossible, your proclamations not withstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, no you don&#8217;t.  You don&#8217;t know him so you can&#8217;t possibly love him.  You are just demonstaring how far removed from the reality of the word you are.  To love someone requires that you share in that person&#8217;s life, it requires that you share values with that person, it requires that you are willing to put that person&#8217;s happiness and well being above your own.  Love means knowing that your life would be emptier without that person in it.</p>
<p>You cannot love someone you haven&#8217;t met. It&#8217;s impossible, your proclamations not withstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/26/1701/comment-page-1#comment-59501</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, 

I do love you and so does the Lord..

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, </p>
<p>I do love you and so does the Lord..</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/26/1701/comment-page-1#comment-59500</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Priya,

I am surprised that an atheist would quote the Bible. If you read on in 1 Cor.6, it says &quot;that is what some of you were&quot;. That is past tense. If you are a believer your first priority is to serve your Lord and not do the other things memtioned.

As to the question about affection vs sex, I could not be any more clear than explaining from my own experience as I have done. I have been there.

As to your jumping on me about my not knowing what love is, here is my understanding. First I love my children becasue somehow I can&#039;t help it even when they do something that upsets me. God is that way with His children. Next, I love my wife because I choose to and because God commands me to. I love you and my other neighbors becasue I choose to and because God has commanded me to.

Where does all this anger and accusing me of not loving stem from. Is it not because you have never really understood love yourself. You are unable to love me or anyone who might not agree with your choices.

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Priya,</p>
<p>I am surprised that an atheist would quote the Bible. If you read on in 1 Cor.6, it says &#8220;that is what some of you were&#8221;. That is past tense. If you are a believer your first priority is to serve your Lord and not do the other things memtioned.</p>
<p>As to the question about affection vs sex, I could not be any more clear than explaining from my own experience as I have done. I have been there.</p>
<p>As to your jumping on me about my not knowing what love is, here is my understanding. First I love my children becasue somehow I can&#8217;t help it even when they do something that upsets me. God is that way with His children. Next, I love my wife because I choose to and because God commands me to. I love you and my other neighbors becasue I choose to and because God has commanded me to.</p>
<p>Where does all this anger and accusing me of not loving stem from. Is it not because you have never really understood love yourself. You are unable to love me or anyone who might not agree with your choices.</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further to Jim&#039;s statement ”John, I take the time to make comments because I love you…”.

Its impossible to love a stranger.  In order to love someone you have to know them in great detail.  People like Jim toss around the word love will-nilly and totally trivialize it in the process.  When Jim says &quot;Jim Scott wrote:”John, I take the time to make comments because I love you…”  What he really means is &quot;Jim Scott wrote:”John, I take the time to make comments because I want to control you&quot;.  Christians like Jim have bastardized the meaning of love.  

Jim, you don&#039;t know what love is.  Your disingenous proclamations of love are offensive and unwanted.  If you have any respect for strangers you&#039;ll never again proclaim to &quot;love&quot; them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to Jim&#8217;s statement ”John, I take the time to make comments because I love you…”.</p>
<p>Its impossible to love a stranger.  In order to love someone you have to know them in great detail.  People like Jim toss around the word love will-nilly and totally trivialize it in the process.  When Jim says &#8220;Jim Scott wrote:”John, I take the time to make comments because I love you…”  What he really means is &#8220;Jim Scott wrote:”John, I take the time to make comments because I want to control you&#8221;.  Christians like Jim have bastardized the meaning of love.  </p>
<p>Jim, you don&#8217;t know what love is.  Your disingenous proclamations of love are offensive and unwanted.  If you have any respect for strangers you&#8217;ll never again proclaim to &#8220;love&#8221; them.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Scott wrote:&quot;John, I take the time to make comments because I love you...&quot;

It surprised me just how creepy this sentence from Jim Scott was to me.

Jim, let me be as clear as a person can be.  I am not interested in some twisted relationship with you on any level despite your pretensions to &quot;love&quot; me.  It isn&#039;t love.  It is abuse-emotional, psychological, spiritual and legalistic through whatever discriminatory policies you support to make my life less than other Americans.

There is no way you can understand what love is when you use the word toward someone like me that you work so hard to harm.

With such a twisted sense of what love is, I worry for those close to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Scott wrote:&#8221;John, I take the time to make comments because I love you&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>It surprised me just how creepy this sentence from Jim Scott was to me.</p>
<p>Jim, let me be as clear as a person can be.  I am not interested in some twisted relationship with you on any level despite your pretensions to &#8220;love&#8221; me.  It isn&#8217;t love.  It is abuse-emotional, psychological, spiritual and legalistic through whatever discriminatory policies you support to make my life less than other Americans.</p>
<p>There is no way you can understand what love is when you use the word toward someone like me that you work so hard to harm.</p>
<p>With such a twisted sense of what love is, I worry for those close to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, you hid from the questions again.  Spare us the &quot;I apologize if it appears I ever avoid a question. That is not my intent.&quot; BS - it isn&#039;t a matter of appearence, you did avoid the question and there&#039;s no doubt it was your intent. Go back, re-read my previous post and tell us exactly how you envision this loving same sex relationship to work.  


Jim said &quot;If they did have sex, it would not mean they go to hell and it does not mean that if two people of the same sex have sex that they will go to hell. People go to hell because they will not believe that Jesus died for their sins. 


See, now you&#039;re lying about the bible because you want to suck people into trusting you before you hit them up with the condemnation.  The bible clearly says that failing to believe in the Jesus character is not the only reason people go to hell.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 

 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Jim said &quot;Repentance means turning away from unbelief and entering a relationship with Christ. Then, even though there is liberty it does not mean yielding to your desires rather than the desires of your God. Jesus said “If you love me, you will keep my commandments”.&quot;.

And the Jesus character never commaned anyone not to have a loving romantic sexual same sex relationship.  So follow the example set by your literary hero Jim, stop threatening people with eternal torture for having loving same sex sexual relationships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, you hid from the questions again.  Spare us the &#8220;I apologize if it appears I ever avoid a question. That is not my intent.&#8221; BS &#8211; it isn&#8217;t a matter of appearence, you did avoid the question and there&#8217;s no doubt it was your intent. Go back, re-read my previous post and tell us exactly how you envision this loving same sex relationship to work.  </p>
<p>Jim said &#8220;If they did have sex, it would not mean they go to hell and it does not mean that if two people of the same sex have sex that they will go to hell. People go to hell because they will not believe that Jesus died for their sins. </p>
<p>See, now you&#8217;re lying about the bible because you want to suck people into trusting you before you hit them up with the condemnation.  The bible clearly says that failing to believe in the Jesus character is not the only reason people go to hell.</p>
<p>1 Corinthians 6:9-10</p>
<p>9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, </p>
<p> 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.</p>
<p>Jim said &#8220;Repentance means turning away from unbelief and entering a relationship with Christ. Then, even though there is liberty it does not mean yielding to your desires rather than the desires of your God. Jesus said “If you love me, you will keep my commandments”.&#8221;.</p>
<p>And the Jesus character never commaned anyone not to have a loving romantic sexual same sex relationship.  So follow the example set by your literary hero Jim, stop threatening people with eternal torture for having loving same sex sexual relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy,

I believe that sex outside of marraige is by definition, fornication.  I have grandchildren who have not married but they do &quot;date&quot;. To abstain from sex means they remain &quot;pure&quot; in their hearts and in God&#039;s eyes. If they did have sex, it would not mean they go to hell and it does not mean that if two people of the same sex have sex that they will go to hell. People go to hell because they will not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Repentance means turning away from unbelief and entering a relationship with Christ. Then, even though there is liberty it does not mean yielding to your desires rather than the desires of your God. Jesus said &quot;If you love me, you will keep my commandments&quot;.

As to David and Jonathan, you may prefer they had sex. I prefer to believe they did not.

I apologize if it appears I ever avoid a question. That is not my intent.
If anyone wants to , they can write me at jimscottministries@yahoo.com and I will be glad to discuss absolutely anything with you privately.

I have some very close male friends, but I realize we are talking about attractions as well as relationships. 
Many years ago I had a close loving relationship with a woman I wanted to marry. At a point in time. she decided we would no longer have sex. For me I still wanted the &quot;relationship&quot; even if there was no sex. I loved her. Older couples often no longer have sex {although many do). This does not mean all the other aspects you mentioned are not there.

This idea that in my preaching i am doing something wrong in wanting everyone to go to heaven is something I want apologize for. God called me to preach and that is what I do. They crucified Jesus for preaching. I am just a &quot;mailman&quot;. Don&#039;t shoot the mailman because you don&#039;t like the mail.

The Bible says that faith comes from hearing the word of God. God chose preachers so that people would hear. God is justified, according to Psalm 51, when he judges. Rejecting Him, not me, is the problem.

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>I believe that sex outside of marraige is by definition, fornication.  I have grandchildren who have not married but they do &#8220;date&#8221;. To abstain from sex means they remain &#8220;pure&#8221; in their hearts and in God&#8217;s eyes. If they did have sex, it would not mean they go to hell and it does not mean that if two people of the same sex have sex that they will go to hell. People go to hell because they will not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Repentance means turning away from unbelief and entering a relationship with Christ. Then, even though there is liberty it does not mean yielding to your desires rather than the desires of your God. Jesus said &#8220;If you love me, you will keep my commandments&#8221;.</p>
<p>As to David and Jonathan, you may prefer they had sex. I prefer to believe they did not.</p>
<p>I apologize if it appears I ever avoid a question. That is not my intent.<br />
If anyone wants to , they can write me at <a href="mailto:jimscottministries@yahoo.com">jimscottministries@yahoo.com</a> and I will be glad to discuss absolutely anything with you privately.</p>
<p>I have some very close male friends, but I realize we are talking about attractions as well as relationships.<br />
Many years ago I had a close loving relationship with a woman I wanted to marry. At a point in time. she decided we would no longer have sex. For me I still wanted the &#8220;relationship&#8221; even if there was no sex. I loved her. Older couples often no longer have sex {although many do). This does not mean all the other aspects you mentioned are not there.</p>
<p>This idea that in my preaching i am doing something wrong in wanting everyone to go to heaven is something I want apologize for. God called me to preach and that is what I do. They crucified Jesus for preaching. I am just a &#8220;mailman&#8221;. Don&#8217;t shoot the mailman because you don&#8217;t like the mail.</p>
<p>The Bible says that faith comes from hearing the word of God. God chose preachers so that people would hear. God is justified, according to Psalm 51, when he judges. Rejecting Him, not me, is the problem.</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim?</description>
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