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	<title>Comments on: More Facts about Elane Photography</title>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/04/14/1805/comment-page-1#comment-34418</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane Hitler, a white KKK member, in the midst of planning her wedding to her girlfriend, sent the photography company an e-mail request to shoot the commitment ceremony. Joe Black, an African American,who owns the company replied: 

&quot;We do not photograph Ku Klux Kan weddings. But thanks for checking out our site! Have a great day!&quot;

Now how do you think that will play out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane Hitler, a white KKK member, in the midst of planning her wedding to her girlfriend, sent the photography company an e-mail request to shoot the commitment ceremony. Joe Black, an African American,who owns the company replied: </p>
<p>&#8220;We do not photograph Ku Klux Kan weddings. But thanks for checking out our site! Have a great day!&#8221;</p>
<p>Now how do you think that will play out?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/04/14/1805/comment-page-1#comment-19378</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

It was not a lawsuit.  It was finding of a commission.  The Hugeunins could sue claiming that NMHRA is a violation of their constitutional rights and I think it likely that they would have a good argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>It was not a lawsuit.  It was finding of a commission.  The Hugeunins could sue claiming that NMHRA is a violation of their constitutional rights and I think it likely that they would have a good argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hanner</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/04/14/1805/comment-page-1#comment-19371</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Hanner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They shouldn&#039;t have won the law suit.
The initial email even prods if Elane is &quot;open&quot; to it, immediately following the nature of the union.

Vanessa asked under those assumptions and she received her response under those assumptions.

Tough luck to Vanessa.

Oh, and Timothy Kincaid, isn&#039;t this place about easing up on rhetoric?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They shouldn&#8217;t have won the law suit.<br />
The initial email even prods if Elane is &#8220;open&#8221; to it, immediately following the nature of the union.</p>
<p>Vanessa asked under those assumptions and she received her response under those assumptions.</p>
<p>Tough luck to Vanessa.</p>
<p>Oh, and Timothy Kincaid, isn&#8217;t this place about easing up on rhetoric?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/04/14/1805/comment-page-1#comment-18285</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shari,

You really amuse me.

Here you are so full of hatred of your neighbor that you have to tell yourself that 95% of people agree with you.  Even though polls show that large majorities in North America and Europe believe that gay people are not abhorent or immoral.

Why?  Why do you think that your personal feeling of &quot;disgust&quot; are &quot;normal&quot;?  Why do you have to hide behind a bogus &quot;Judeo-Christian value&quot;?

Because you are ashamed of your own hatred.  You know yourself to be bigoted and full of hate and you know it is wrong.

So you try to claim that you are not a hate-monger, that you would reach out to offer &quot;help and peace&quot; all while you are doing everything you can to make the lives of gay people more difficult.

Because you know, shari, that those feelings of abhorence and disgust and hate don&#039;t come from God.  You know that you are a tool of evil.

And it makes you frightened.  

No wonder you have to come here and try to defend what you know deep inside when you try and sleep tonight is indefensable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shari,</p>
<p>You really amuse me.</p>
<p>Here you are so full of hatred of your neighbor that you have to tell yourself that 95% of people agree with you.  Even though polls show that large majorities in North America and Europe believe that gay people are not abhorent or immoral.</p>
<p>Why?  Why do you think that your personal feeling of &#8220;disgust&#8221; are &#8220;normal&#8221;?  Why do you have to hide behind a bogus &#8220;Judeo-Christian value&#8221;?</p>
<p>Because you are ashamed of your own hatred.  You know yourself to be bigoted and full of hate and you know it is wrong.</p>
<p>So you try to claim that you are not a hate-monger, that you would reach out to offer &#8220;help and peace&#8221; all while you are doing everything you can to make the lives of gay people more difficult.</p>
<p>Because you know, shari, that those feelings of abhorence and disgust and hate don&#8217;t come from God.  You know that you are a tool of evil.</p>
<p>And it makes you frightened.  </p>
<p>No wonder you have to come here and try to defend what you know deep inside when you try and sleep tonight is indefensable.</p>
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		<title>By: shari</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/04/14/1805/comment-page-1#comment-18278</link>
		<dc:creator>shari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Christian religion (excluding cults) forbids marriage between black and white or any other skin color. The Bible treats all races as one race: The human race. 

However, the Bible recommends marrying someone of the same religion (and anyone who wants peace at home would be smart to follow that advice.)

Homosexuality, however, is not a race, it is a lifestyle that is abhorrent to 95% or more of the world&#039;s population. Every major religion has a ban against it. Homosexuality is an unhealthy lifestyle as statistics confirm. And homosexuals rarely maintain a monogamous relationship.  The lifespan for homosexual is much shorter than for mentally healthy people, and it almost always include other aberrant sexual behaviors, and heavy use of drugs and/or alcohol.

It is sad that the next generation is being brainwashed to go against their natural feelings of disgust for homosexuals. They are told that they are defective and bigoted for not embracing homosexuality. 

Ironic that normal humans must ignore their powerful feeling of disgust for homosexuality, just so homosexuals don&#039;t have to ignore their powerful feelings of lust.

To the people who keep comparing a Christian who will not embrace homosexuality with racists, please do some research. It is the Christians right to obey their religion in this country, and the statutes and ordinances of the Judeo-Christian values have been a tremendous influence on all that is good in this country.

Christians are not hate-mongers, a true Christian will reach out to a hurting homosexual and offer help and peace through Jesus Christ (check out exodus-international.org)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Christian religion (excluding cults) forbids marriage between black and white or any other skin color. The Bible treats all races as one race: The human race. </p>
<p>However, the Bible recommends marrying someone of the same religion (and anyone who wants peace at home would be smart to follow that advice.)</p>
<p>Homosexuality, however, is not a race, it is a lifestyle that is abhorrent to 95% or more of the world&#8217;s population. Every major religion has a ban against it. Homosexuality is an unhealthy lifestyle as statistics confirm. And homosexuals rarely maintain a monogamous relationship.  The lifespan for homosexual is much shorter than for mentally healthy people, and it almost always include other aberrant sexual behaviors, and heavy use of drugs and/or alcohol.</p>
<p>It is sad that the next generation is being brainwashed to go against their natural feelings of disgust for homosexuals. They are told that they are defective and bigoted for not embracing homosexuality. </p>
<p>Ironic that normal humans must ignore their powerful feeling of disgust for homosexuality, just so homosexuals don&#8217;t have to ignore their powerful feelings of lust.</p>
<p>To the people who keep comparing a Christian who will not embrace homosexuality with racists, please do some research. It is the Christians right to obey their religion in this country, and the statutes and ordinances of the Judeo-Christian values have been a tremendous influence on all that is good in this country.</p>
<p>Christians are not hate-mongers, a true Christian will reach out to a hurting homosexual and offer help and peace through Jesus Christ (check out exodus-international.org)</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Marlene,

Not all of those who don&#039;t agree with homosexuality are bigots or hatemongers.  But those who feel the need to go to gay websites to make baseless accusations generally are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Marlene,</p>
<p>Not all of those who don&#8217;t agree with homosexuality are bigots or hatemongers.  But those who feel the need to go to gay websites to make baseless accusations generally are.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe this was a set up against the photographer. I&#039;ve seen signs posted in business windows all my life which read, &quot;We have the right to refuse business&quot;.

According to this article, Ms. Willock even stated, &quot;IF you are open to helping us celebrate our day&quot;, as though the photographer had a choice whether or not to accommodate her request.

This crap will become the norm, as many homosexuals have an agenda to convince the world that those who don&#039;t agree with their homosexuality are &quot;bigots&quot; &amp; &quot;hate mongers&quot; and, therefore, should be punished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe this was a set up against the photographer. I&#8217;ve seen signs posted in business windows all my life which read, &#8220;We have the right to refuse business&#8221;.</p>
<p>According to this article, Ms. Willock even stated, &#8220;IF you are open to helping us celebrate our day&#8221;, as though the photographer had a choice whether or not to accommodate her request.</p>
<p>This crap will become the norm, as many homosexuals have an agenda to convince the world that those who don&#8217;t agree with their homosexuality are &#8220;bigots&#8221; &amp; &#8220;hate mongers&#8221; and, therefore, should be punished.</p>
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		<title>By: BenYachov(Jim Scott)</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/04/14/1805/comment-page-1#comment-12187</link>
		<dc:creator>BenYachov(Jim Scott)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Brenton,
  What if you are Black &amp; a Klanmen called you &amp; wanted you to take pictures at his wedding?

BTW in a civilized society that respected the 1st amendment YOU could always tell OTHER so &amp; so photography won&#039;t photograph &quot;insert here&quot; &amp; others could choose to not give them any busness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Brenton,<br />
  What if you are Black &amp; a Klanmen called you &amp; wanted you to take pictures at his wedding?</p>
<p>BTW in a civilized society that respected the 1st amendment YOU could always tell OTHER so &amp; so photography won&#8217;t photograph &#8220;insert here&#8221; &amp; others could choose to not give them any busness.</p>
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		<title>By: brenton</title>
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		<dc:creator>brenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are right! If a negro couple or (God Forbid!) jewish couple called Elane Photography to take pictures at their wedding, they should be refused outright! Not to do so would be un-american.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are right! If a negro couple or (God Forbid!) jewish couple called Elane Photography to take pictures at their wedding, they should be refused outright! Not to do so would be un-american.</p>
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		<title>By: BenYachov(Jim Scott)</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/04/14/1805/comment-page-1#comment-11715</link>
		<dc:creator>BenYachov(Jim Scott)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; you’ll note that due to established precedent the NMHRA really had no choice but to come to that conclusion.

I reply: I should also point out that in New Mexico gay marriage is not legal.  Why is that legal reality not strictly enforced or taken into consideration BUT the New Mexico Violate Our Civil Rights Commission says this conclusion is really their only option?

Short answer is the NMHRA like their counterparts in the great white north HAVE no real legal standards it is purely arbitrary on their part.  I say that is dangerous to the liberty of all Americans regardless of their sexual orientation, religion or politics.

I&#039;m done for the night.  Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; you’ll note that due to established precedent the NMHRA really had no choice but to come to that conclusion.</p>
<p>I reply: I should also point out that in New Mexico gay marriage is not legal.  Why is that legal reality not strictly enforced or taken into consideration BUT the New Mexico Violate Our Civil Rights Commission says this conclusion is really their only option?</p>
<p>Short answer is the NMHRA like their counterparts in the great white north HAVE no real legal standards it is purely arbitrary on their part.  I say that is dangerous to the liberty of all Americans regardless of their sexual orientation, religion or politics.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m done for the night.  Cheers.</p>
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