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	<title>Comments on: The Golden Rule Day: Just What We Need &#8212; Another Platitude</title>
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		<title>By: NancyP</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/04/24/1865/comment-page-1#comment-9900</link>
		<dc:creator>NancyP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solution for those Christians participating in Day of Silence next year: Hand out the usual card. On the back, have &quot;Following the Golden Rule means stopping verbal and physical violence against LGBT people&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solution for those Christians participating in Day of Silence next year: Hand out the usual card. On the back, have &#8220;Following the Golden Rule means stopping verbal and physical violence against LGBT people&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Day of Silence&#8221; meets &#8220;Golden Rule Pledge&#8221; &#171; Crossing the T</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Day of Silence&#8221; meets &#8220;Golden Rule Pledge&#8221; &#171; Crossing the T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] edit:  Jim Burroway at Box Turtle Bulletin has written an excellent critique on the &#8220;Golden Rule Pledge&#8221; that has pushed me over the edge on the topic.  He lists four problems with this response to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] edit:  Jim Burroway at Box Turtle Bulletin has written an excellent critique on the &#8220;Golden Rule Pledge&#8221; that has pushed me over the edge on the topic.  He lists four problems with this response to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: XGW Digest: April 26, 2008 &#124; Ex-Gay Watch</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/04/24/1865/comment-page-1#comment-9828</link>
		<dc:creator>XGW Digest: April 26, 2008 &#124; Ex-Gay Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jim Burroway and Timothy Kincaid of Box Turtle Bulletin voice their opinions on Throckmorton&#8217;s Golden Rule Initiative [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Warren Throckmorton</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/04/24/1865/comment-page-1#comment-9793</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Throckmorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am getting reports from various places of bridges being built in ways not contemplated weeks ago. This is not a panacea but I am happy that some good things are happening. I am sorry that this is offensive to some. The concept in no way condones or contemplates anything like William suggests here:

&lt;i&gt;“The so-called harassment of students who are (or are assumed to be) LGBT is not contrary to the Golden Rule. On the contrary, it is fully in accord with the spirit of the Golden Rule realistically and authentically understood.”&lt;/i&gt;

I do not follow that thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am getting reports from various places of bridges being built in ways not contemplated weeks ago. This is not a panacea but I am happy that some good things are happening. I am sorry that this is offensive to some. The concept in no way condones or contemplates anything like William suggests here:</p>
<p><i>“The so-called harassment of students who are (or are assumed to be) LGBT is not contrary to the Golden Rule. On the contrary, it is fully in accord with the spirit of the Golden Rule realistically and authentically understood.”</i></p>
<p>I do not follow that thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/04/24/1865/comment-page-1#comment-9777</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The Church, in rejecting erroneous opinions regarding homosexuality, does not limit but rather defends personal freedom and dignity realistically and authentically understood.”

“It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church’s pastors wherever it occurs…. But the proper reaction to crimes committed against homosexual persons should not be to claim that the homosexual condition [sic] is not disordered. When such a claim is made and when homosexual activity is consequently condoned, or when civil legislation is introduced to protect behaviour to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the Church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase.”

The above passages are excerpted from the so-called Hallowe’en Letter which the then Cardinal Ratzinger addressed to the Catholic bishops in 1986. 

You see the tactic that is being used here? (No wonder that Timothy F. Murphy commented in Christopher Street: “I find it difficult to see here that the Catholic Church has learned more from Jesus than from Pontius Pilate.”) 

Now let us see how a similar mentality can use the Golden Rule Day proposal:

“The so-called harassment of students who are (or are assumed to be) LGBT is not contrary to the Golden Rule. On the contrary, it is fully in accord with the spirit of the Golden Rule realistically and authentically understood.”

“It is deplorable that LGBT students have been and are the objects of violent malice in speech or action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from teachers and school administrators wherever it occurs. But the proper reaction to the bullying of LGBT students should not be to claim that such students should be accepted as normal and that they have the right to be treated exactly like everyone else. When such a claim is made, neither the schools nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The Church, in rejecting erroneous opinions regarding homosexuality, does not limit but rather defends personal freedom and dignity realistically and authentically understood.”</p>
<p>“It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church’s pastors wherever it occurs…. But the proper reaction to crimes committed against homosexual persons should not be to claim that the homosexual condition [sic] is not disordered. When such a claim is made and when homosexual activity is consequently condoned, or when civil legislation is introduced to protect behaviour to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the Church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase.”</p>
<p>The above passages are excerpted from the so-called Hallowe’en Letter which the then Cardinal Ratzinger addressed to the Catholic bishops in 1986. </p>
<p>You see the tactic that is being used here? (No wonder that Timothy F. Murphy commented in Christopher Street: “I find it difficult to see here that the Catholic Church has learned more from Jesus than from Pontius Pilate.”) </p>
<p>Now let us see how a similar mentality can use the Golden Rule Day proposal:</p>
<p>“The so-called harassment of students who are (or are assumed to be) LGBT is not contrary to the Golden Rule. On the contrary, it is fully in accord with the spirit of the Golden Rule realistically and authentically understood.”</p>
<p>“It is deplorable that LGBT students have been and are the objects of violent malice in speech or action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from teachers and school administrators wherever it occurs. But the proper reaction to the bullying of LGBT students should not be to claim that such students should be accepted as normal and that they have the right to be treated exactly like everyone else. When such a claim is made, neither the schools nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase.”</p>
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		<title>By: Hate Groups for Jesus &#171; break the terror</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hate Groups for Jesus &#171; break the terror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but now it&#8217;s the &#8220;Golden Rule Day,&#8221; which sounds innocuous enough. It&#8217;s not. Within the article, there is a telling aside, which basically shows how complicit these anti-gay [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but now it&#8217;s the &#8220;Golden Rule Day,&#8221; which sounds innocuous enough. It&#8217;s not. Within the article, there is a telling aside, which basically shows how complicit these anti-gay [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/04/24/1865/comment-page-1#comment-9717</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, here’s an idea: let’s just follow this Golden Rule lark to its logical conclusion. Next year how about replacing Holocaust Memorial Day by a Golden Rule day?&quot;

Wow, I&#039;ve changed my view on this event.  I wasn&#039;t even thinking about how divisive this stunt really is.

Now that I think about it, isn&#039;t pushing this event to supplant a pre-existing one that others find meaningful and important a violation of the Golden Rule in and of itself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, here’s an idea: let’s just follow this Golden Rule lark to its logical conclusion. Next year how about replacing Holocaust Memorial Day by a Golden Rule day?&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, I&#8217;ve changed my view on this event.  I wasn&#8217;t even thinking about how divisive this stunt really is.</p>
<p>Now that I think about it, isn&#8217;t pushing this event to supplant a pre-existing one that others find meaningful and important a violation of the Golden Rule in and of itself?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/04/24/1865/comment-page-1#comment-9704</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems plain as day to me.

&quot;Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.&quot;

but they&#039;re reading it

&quot;Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, if they had your values and belief system&quot;

The idea is &quot;would you want to be on the receiving end of what you&#039;re doing?&quot;


Don&#039;t kill people because you would not want to be killed.

Don&#039;t persecute someone for their beliefs because you wouldn&#039;t want that either.

Don&#039;t tell someone their relationship is a sham, because you would not appreciate being told the same thing.

&quot;But I would want someone to point out that I&#039;m doing something immoral!&quot;

Really, you would appreciate total strangers telling you what to do?  You&#039;d appreciate people who don&#039;t know you and don&#039;t know your situation telling you you&#039;re wrong, your beliefs are wrong, and that you&#039;re going to hell for not agreeing with them?  You&#039;d appreciate someone perpetuating unfair stereotypes about you and people like you in order to get you to change?  You&#039;d appreciate someone telling you change is possible, when they&#039;re not being entirely truthful?  You&#039;d appreciate someone calling you &quot;worse than a terrorist&quot; even though you&#039;ve never so much as been in a fight?  You&#039;d appreciate someone calling you names?  You&#039;d appreciate someone threatening to hurt you?  

Really, because that&#039;s what it&#039;s like to be in my shoes, that&#039;s what it&#039;s like to be me.  I don&#039;t appreciate any of those things, yet you would, if you were me?

Somehow I doubt that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems plain as day to me.</p>
<p>&#8220;Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.&#8221;</p>
<p>but they&#8217;re reading it</p>
<p>&#8220;Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, if they had your values and belief system&#8221;</p>
<p>The idea is &#8220;would you want to be on the receiving end of what you&#8217;re doing?&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t kill people because you would not want to be killed.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t persecute someone for their beliefs because you wouldn&#8217;t want that either.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t tell someone their relationship is a sham, because you would not appreciate being told the same thing.</p>
<p>&#8220;But I would want someone to point out that I&#8217;m doing something immoral!&#8221;</p>
<p>Really, you would appreciate total strangers telling you what to do?  You&#8217;d appreciate people who don&#8217;t know you and don&#8217;t know your situation telling you you&#8217;re wrong, your beliefs are wrong, and that you&#8217;re going to hell for not agreeing with them?  You&#8217;d appreciate someone perpetuating unfair stereotypes about you and people like you in order to get you to change?  You&#8217;d appreciate someone telling you change is possible, when they&#8217;re not being entirely truthful?  You&#8217;d appreciate someone calling you &#8220;worse than a terrorist&#8221; even though you&#8217;ve never so much as been in a fight?  You&#8217;d appreciate someone calling you names?  You&#8217;d appreciate someone threatening to hurt you?  </p>
<p>Really, because that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s like to be in my shoes, that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s like to be me.  I don&#8217;t appreciate any of those things, yet you would, if you were me?</p>
<p>Somehow I doubt that.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/04/24/1865/comment-page-1#comment-9700</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here&#039;s an idea: let&#039;s just follow this Golden Rule lark to its logical conclusion. Next year how about replacing Holocaust Memorial Day by a Golden Rule day?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here&#8217;s an idea: let&#8217;s just follow this Golden Rule lark to its logical conclusion. Next year how about replacing Holocaust Memorial Day by a Golden Rule day?</p>
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		<title>By: cooner</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/04/24/1865/comment-page-1#comment-9695</link>
		<dc:creator>cooner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree, the rhetoric behind &quot;Golden Rule Day&quot; sounds nice and all, but when it comes down to it, if they really wanted to help, they should just be supporting the event as already planned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree, the rhetoric behind &#8220;Golden Rule Day&#8221; sounds nice and all, but when it comes down to it, if they really wanted to help, they should just be supporting the event as already planned.</p>
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