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	<title>Comments on: Dumbest Arguments Yet Against Same Sex Marriage</title>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/05/19/2042/comment-page-1#comment-11083</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If heterosexual intercourse is required to validate a marriage then they&#039;ll have to stop arguing that I, as a gay man, already have equal access to marriage simply because the law allows me to marry a woman. I promise you, THAT marriage wouldn&#039;t get consummated, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If heterosexual intercourse is required to validate a marriage then they&#8217;ll have to stop arguing that I, as a gay man, already have equal access to marriage simply because the law allows me to marry a woman. I promise you, THAT marriage wouldn&#8217;t get consummated, either.</p>
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		<title>By: David W</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/05/19/2042/comment-page-1#comment-11079</link>
		<dc:creator>David W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim!  Long-time reader, first-time commenter.  Read the comments below the Examiner article.  I learned a new legal term there: &quot;consensus non concubitus facit nuptiam&quot; -  Consent, not lying together, constitutes marriage.  Obviously Miss Melanie did not do her research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim!  Long-time reader, first-time commenter.  Read the comments below the Examiner article.  I learned a new legal term there: &#8220;consensus non concubitus facit nuptiam&#8221; &#8211;  Consent, not lying together, constitutes marriage.  Obviously Miss Melanie did not do her research.</p>
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		<title>By: NaturallyGay</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/05/19/2042/comment-page-1#comment-11062</link>
		<dc:creator>NaturallyGay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is definitely one of the stranger arguments I&#039;ve ever read.

I just looked up the California forms for filing an annulment. There is no checkbox for indicating whether or not the marriage was consummated. I guess they forgot to put that on there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is definitely one of the stranger arguments I&#8217;ve ever read.</p>
<p>I just looked up the California forms for filing an annulment. There is no checkbox for indicating whether or not the marriage was consummated. I guess they forgot to put that on there?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 00:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t realized the Examiner was competing with The Sun on a race to the bottom.

I&#039;m so sorry.  Really.  Please do not blame Baltimore.  Our idiots may be a tad dumber then other cities but our beehive hairdos and crab cakes make up for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t realized the Examiner was competing with The Sun on a race to the bottom.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so sorry.  Really.  Please do not blame Baltimore.  Our idiots may be a tad dumber then other cities but our beehive hairdos and crab cakes make up for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Pepe Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pepe Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is definitely one of the worst I have read. Marriage is not a priority issue for me, but I still try to keep up with the debates because the reasoning people use in the marriage debate will show you what the truly think about gay people.

Anyway. I didn&#039;t think the law specifically stated that the marriage must be consummated to be final. I also thought annulment was something the church gave you, while the state gave you a divorce. My father (a Roman Catholic) received a divorce from his first wife (a devout Roman Catholic), but the marriage was never annulled since it was obviously consummated (my two half-sisters, as evidence). My father considered the divorce final, but his former wife still considers herself bound to him because it was never annulled. Pretty clear to me that the church and state are separate when it comes to the subject of marriage already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is definitely one of the worst I have read. Marriage is not a priority issue for me, but I still try to keep up with the debates because the reasoning people use in the marriage debate will show you what the truly think about gay people.</p>
<p>Anyway. I didn&#8217;t think the law specifically stated that the marriage must be consummated to be final. I also thought annulment was something the church gave you, while the state gave you a divorce. My father (a Roman Catholic) received a divorce from his first wife (a devout Roman Catholic), but the marriage was never annulled since it was obviously consummated (my two half-sisters, as evidence). My father considered the divorce final, but his former wife still considers herself bound to him because it was never annulled. Pretty clear to me that the church and state are separate when it comes to the subject of marriage already.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/05/19/2042/comment-page-1#comment-11051</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree that this is the dumbest one. I doubt if she is truly worried whether my husband can &#039;do it&#039; in such a way as to satisfy (no imputation imputed) her.

 I would have to say the dumbest one is that families will fall apart if gay people are allowed to marry. Doesn&#039;t say much for your average run of heterosexual parenting.

but it does give me an idea. can we have a contest and maybe a vote on the dumbest one? Winner gets one week in Porno Pete&#039;s utopia.

2nd place gets two weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree that this is the dumbest one. I doubt if she is truly worried whether my husband can &#8216;do it&#8217; in such a way as to satisfy (no imputation imputed) her.</p>
<p> I would have to say the dumbest one is that families will fall apart if gay people are allowed to marry. Doesn&#8217;t say much for your average run of heterosexual parenting.</p>
<p>but it does give me an idea. can we have a contest and maybe a vote on the dumbest one? Winner gets one week in Porno Pete&#8217;s utopia.</p>
<p>2nd place gets two weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Johno. I fixed the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Johno. I fixed the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Johno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the link to her article has an error in it. It&#039;s easy to add your comments here: 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.examiner.com/a-1397986~Melanie_Scarborough__Gay_marriage_not_physically_possible.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.examiner.com/a..._physically_possible.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the link to her article has an error in it. It&#8217;s easy to add your comments here: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.examiner.com/a-1397986~Melanie_Scarborough__Gay_marriage_not_physically_possible.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/a&#8230;_physically_possible.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Devlin Bach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devlin Bach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last thing I thought when I went to your link Porno Pete and found it was a Christian news blog, was that I would get a half-master at the pic they published.  I hesitantly submit, Porno Pete does good porn.

Thanks for the link to the LA Times Ronald George coverage.  Considering his stances through his tenure, he is now quite an evenly robed California super-star.

As far as consumating gay marriage; After a good dick/ass fest, I think we should add a second asset, a little more flair, by requiring a shop fest by cashing in gift cards from marraige attendees at Macy&#039;s, Crate&#039;n Barrel or Bloomingdales, or any similar tag. Doing both might signify a longer marriage prospect. 

We are creating history here, these things do need consideration, donchyathink?

Thanks for your great coverage Jim.

Devlin Bach</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last thing I thought when I went to your link Porno Pete and found it was a Christian news blog, was that I would get a half-master at the pic they published.  I hesitantly submit, Porno Pete does good porn.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to the LA Times Ronald George coverage.  Considering his stances through his tenure, he is now quite an evenly robed California super-star.</p>
<p>As far as consumating gay marriage; After a good dick/ass fest, I think we should add a second asset, a little more flair, by requiring a shop fest by cashing in gift cards from marraige attendees at Macy&#8217;s, Crate&#8217;n Barrel or Bloomingdales, or any similar tag. Doing both might signify a longer marriage prospect. </p>
<p>We are creating history here, these things do need consideration, donchyathink?</p>
<p>Thanks for your great coverage Jim.</p>
<p>Devlin Bach</p>
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		<title>By: GayMormonBoy</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/05/19/2042/comment-page-1#comment-11046</link>
		<dc:creator>GayMormonBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thought - So according to Melanie, if one partner entering a heterosexual marriage was disfigured in a way that prevented them from &quot;consumating&quot; the marriage, (as per her definition,) the marriage would not be &quot;physically possible&quot; and would have to be annulled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thought &#8211; So according to Melanie, if one partner entering a heterosexual marriage was disfigured in a way that prevented them from &#8220;consumating&#8221; the marriage, (as per her definition,) the marriage would not be &#8220;physically possible&#8221; and would have to be annulled.</p>
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