Comments on: Kern Co. (Bakersfield) Clerk Ann K. Barnett Cancels Straight Weddings http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:53:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Ephilei http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170/comment-page-1#comment-11987 Ephilei Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:25:45 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170#comment-11987 Meh. Everyone will see how she will do whatever it takes to hurt gays and no one will be impressed. Score another point for the queer movement! Meh. Everyone will see how she will do whatever it takes to hurt gays and no one will be impressed.

Score another point for the queer movement!

]]> By: Glenn I http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170/comment-page-1#comment-11803 Glenn I Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:48:45 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170#comment-11803 In making her stand she will be disappointing more het couples than same-sex couples. I wonder how many of them will blame the gays and how many will more properly blame her for the disruption of their plans and the inconvenience imposed. In making her stand she will be disappointing more het couples than same-sex couples. I wonder how many of them will blame the gays and how many will more properly blame her for the disruption of their plans and the inconvenience imposed.

]]> By: cd http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170/comment-page-1#comment-11777 cd Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:16:48 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170#comment-11777 <i>One thing is probably certain, she won’t be re-elected if it is an elected position.</i> Hard to be sure of that. The region is about 70% Republican-voting, lots of fundies and reactionaries of all stripes. It's a piece of Oklahoma stuck at the end of the Central Valley. One thing is probably certain, she won’t be re-elected if it is an elected position.

Hard to be sure of that. The region is about 70% Republican-voting, lots of fundies and reactionaries of all stripes. It’s a piece of Oklahoma stuck at the end of the Central Valley.

]]> By: Stefano http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170/comment-page-1#comment-11764 Stefano Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:06:02 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170#comment-11764 Her position as Kern County Auditor-Controller-County Clerk is an elected position is it not? Does the Kern County government have impeachment abilities for her position? If so, due to the inconvenience she's creating for all citizens of the county in addition to loss of county revenue in the tune of $50,000 annually +/- I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future they attempt to remove her. One thing is probably certain, she won't be re-elected if it is an elected position. Her position as Kern County Auditor-Controller-County Clerk is an elected position is it not?

Does the Kern County government have impeachment abilities for her position?

If so, due to the inconvenience she’s creating for all citizens of the county in addition to loss of county revenue in the tune of $50,000 annually +/- I wouldn’t be surprised if in the near future they attempt to remove her.

One thing is probably certain, she won’t be re-elected if it is an elected position.

]]> By: Jarred http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170/comment-page-1#comment-11763 Jarred Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:44:24 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170#comment-11763 <i>While I certainly commisserate with your indignation at this bigot’s motives, I simply do not see why the government should be expected to provide anyone with a wedding ceremony — any more than it should be expected to provide a bridal gown, tuxudo, wedding cake or honeymoon.</i> Kip, I think the important thing to keep in mind is that the government <i>already</i> stipulates who can officiate at a wedding. So yes, it is up to that government to make sure that provision is made for the non-religious to find someone who can officiate their non-religious ceremony. If the <i>only</i> authorized non-religious option was the county clerk's office, I'd say this would be a big deal indeed. Effectively, it would be a way for the government to only allow for religious weddings. Fortunately, there are other options for obtaining a civil ceremony, so that's not a problem. While I certainly commisserate with your indignation at this bigot’s motives, I simply do not see why the government should be expected to provide anyone with a wedding ceremony — any more than it should be expected to provide a bridal gown, tuxudo, wedding cake or honeymoon.

Kip, I think the important thing to keep in mind is that the government already stipulates who can officiate at a wedding. So yes, it is up to that government to make sure that provision is made for the non-religious to find someone who can officiate their non-religious ceremony. If the only authorized non-religious option was the county clerk’s office, I’d say this would be a big deal indeed. Effectively, it would be a way for the government to only allow for religious weddings.

Fortunately, there are other options for obtaining a civil ceremony, so that’s not a problem.

]]> By: Bakersfield County Clerk Ann Bennett: “If Gay people are allowed to get married, then nobody is!” « break the terror http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170/comment-page-1#comment-11762 Bakersfield County Clerk Ann Bennett: “If Gay people are allowed to get married, then nobody is!” « break the terror Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:43:20 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170#comment-11762 [...] county clerk is also kind of an angry bitch-lady, too, so it seems. She has decided that the county will stop performing weddings, period, for “budgetary [...] [...] county clerk is also kind of an angry bitch-lady, too, so it seems. She has decided that the county will stop performing weddings, period, for “budgetary [...]

]]> By: KipEsquire http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170/comment-page-1#comment-11760 KipEsquire Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:35:48 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170#comment-11760 While I certainly commisserate with your indignation at this bigot's motives, I simply do not see why the government should be expected to provide anyone with a wedding ceremony -- any more than it should be expected to provide a bridal gown, tuxudo, wedding cake or honeymoon. License, yes; ceremony, no. So long as everyone is being treated equally, then let her stage her little stunt -- all the better to mock her with. While I certainly commisserate with your indignation at this bigot’s motives, I simply do not see why the government should be expected to provide anyone with a wedding ceremony — any more than it should be expected to provide a bridal gown, tuxudo, wedding cake or honeymoon. License, yes; ceremony, no.

So long as everyone is being treated equally, then let her stage her little stunt — all the better to mock her with.

]]> By: tubesteak http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170/comment-page-1#comment-11759 tubesteak Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:07:04 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170#comment-11759 Wow, this lady seems a tad obtuse! I just read a decent little thing about marriage proposals: http://decentcommunity.org/2008/05/28/the-most-decent-places-to-propose/ Wow, this lady seems a tad obtuse! I just read a decent little thing about marriage proposals:

http://decentcommunity.org/2008/05/28/the-most-decent-places-to-propose/

]]> By: Jarred http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170/comment-page-1#comment-11758 Jarred Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:46:18 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170#comment-11758 According to the <a href="http://www.dhs.ca.gov/hisp/chs/ovr/marriage/GeneralInfo.htm" rel="nofollow">Departhment of Health Care Services in California</a>, the following non-religious individuals are authorized to perform marriages: *A judge or retired judge, commissioner of civil marriages or retired commissioner of civil marriages, commissioner or retired commissioner, or assistant commissioner of a court of record in this state. *A judge or magistrate who has resigned from office. *Any of the following judges or magistrates of the United States. *A justice or retired justice of the United States Supreme Court. *A judge or retired judge of a court of appeals, a district court, or a court created by an act of Congress the judges of which are entitled to hold office during good behavior. *A judge or retired judge of a bankruptcy court or a tax court. *A United States magistrate or retired magistrate. *A legislator or constitutional officer of this state or a member of Congress who represents a district within this state, while that person holds office. So it sounds like there should be plenty of other options. Also, I don't see why they couldn't go to the County Clerk's office in another county. According to the Departhment of Health Care Services in California, the following non-religious individuals are authorized to perform marriages:
*A judge or retired judge, commissioner of civil marriages or retired commissioner of civil marriages, commissioner or retired commissioner, or assistant commissioner of a court of record in this state.
*A judge or magistrate who has resigned from office.
*Any of the following judges or magistrates of the United States.
*A justice or retired justice of the United States Supreme Court.
*A judge or retired judge of a court of appeals, a district court, or a court created by an act of Congress the judges of which are entitled to hold office during good behavior.
*A judge or retired judge of a bankruptcy court or a tax court.
*A United States magistrate or retired magistrate.
*A legislator or constitutional officer of this state or a member of Congress who represents a district within this state, while that person holds office.

So it sounds like there should be plenty of other options.

Also, I don’t see why they couldn’t go to the County Clerk’s office in another county.

]]> By: MirrorMan http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170/comment-page-1#comment-11757 MirrorMan Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:39:43 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/06/2170#comment-11757 Oh, is she deep in it now! I can't wait for the first slap! Oh, is she deep in it now! I can’t wait for the first slap!

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