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	<title>Comments on: TiVo&#8217;s FOTF Web Page: Did It Stay Or Did It Go?</title>
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		<title>By: A Stitch in Haste</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/11/2185/comment-page-1#comment-11934</link>
		<dc:creator>A Stitch in Haste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Questions (Revised)...&lt;/strong&gt;

--How do China&#039;s authoritarians keep their oppressive censorship apparatus glued together?

--Why is Tivo teaming up with Focus on the Family to sponsor a (...</description>
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<p>&#8211;How do China&#8217;s authoritarians keep their oppressive censorship apparatus glued together?</p>
<p>&#8211;Why is Tivo teaming up with Focus on the Family to sponsor a (&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Garrett</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/11/2185/comment-page-1#comment-11927</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I suspect that was a coding error on TiVo’s part. I didn’t type the link out, but copied it from my address bar. &lt;/i&gt;

Yeah...me too.  I think you caught them right in the middle of making the changes to their web site and things were still in a state of flux.  And you&#039;re absolutely right...they need to explain themselves.  There is something unmitigatedly ugly about holding a father&#039;s day contest that red lines the good words some kids put in for their dads, because either the dad or the kid is gay.  It&#039;s not that they&#039;re treating the dads and the kids with contempt.  They&#039;re treated that filial love with contempt.  

You really see how ugly the mindset is in there with this one.  Look at this in light of the idea that &quot;same sex attractions&quot; are the result of poor relationships with parents, particularly the fathers.  They seem so concerned that families should have good strong bonds.  And here they are, seeing loving kids and loving parents, and they red line it, not like it shouldn&#039;t exist, not like they don&#039;t believe it really exists, but like they&#039;re offended that it&#039;s there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I suspect that was a coding error on TiVo’s part. I didn’t type the link out, but copied it from my address bar. </i></p>
<p>Yeah&#8230;me too.  I think you caught them right in the middle of making the changes to their web site and things were still in a state of flux.  And you&#8217;re absolutely right&#8230;they need to explain themselves.  There is something unmitigatedly ugly about holding a father&#8217;s day contest that red lines the good words some kids put in for their dads, because either the dad or the kid is gay.  It&#8217;s not that they&#8217;re treating the dads and the kids with contempt.  They&#8217;re treated that filial love with contempt.  </p>
<p>You really see how ugly the mindset is in there with this one.  Look at this in light of the idea that &#8220;same sex attractions&#8221; are the result of poor relationships with parents, particularly the fathers.  They seem so concerned that families should have good strong bonds.  And here they are, seeing loving kids and loving parents, and they red line it, not like it shouldn&#8217;t exist, not like they don&#8217;t believe it really exists, but like they&#8217;re offended that it&#8217;s there.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/11/2185/comment-page-1#comment-11926</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It loaded immediately for me but there was nothing there about FOF.  It was a page for a TiVO KidsZone promotion.

Interestingly, once I got on the page I couldn&#039;t page back to this site.  My &quot;back&quot; option wouldn&#039;t work at all from the site.  I had to go back to my favorites to get back to BTB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It loaded immediately for me but there was nothing there about FOF.  It was a page for a TiVO KidsZone promotion.</p>
<p>Interestingly, once I got on the page I couldn&#8217;t page back to this site.  My &#8220;back&#8221; option wouldn&#8217;t work at all from the site.  I had to go back to my favorites to get back to BTB.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/11/2185/comment-page-1#comment-11925</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce,

I suspect that was a coding error on TiVo&#039;s part. I didn&#039;t type the link out, but copied it from my address bar. But yes, it looks like the redirected link is working now.

It looks to me as if TiVo has corrected the problem with their web site -- their technical problem, at least. They&#039;ve also apparently scrubbed their site of any mention of Focus On the Family.

But as far as I know, there has been no statement. I think they still owe us an explanation of why they partnered with FOTF in the first place. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce,</p>
<p>I suspect that was a coding error on TiVo&#8217;s part. I didn&#8217;t type the link out, but copied it from my address bar. But yes, it looks like the redirected link is working now.</p>
<p>It looks to me as if TiVo has corrected the problem with their web site &#8212; their technical problem, at least. They&#8217;ve also apparently scrubbed their site of any mention of Focus On the Family.</p>
<p>But as far as I know, there has been no statement. I think they still owe us an explanation of why they partnered with FOTF in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Garrett</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/11/2185/comment-page-1#comment-11923</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;omeone else wrote that the first page loaded up fine for them, but  they noticed the two different URL’s. So they went to the second link manually and got the same “page not found error.”&lt;/i&gt;

Ditto here.  But the second link you are redirected to from the old Focus link isn&#039;t &quot;kzoffer.html&quot; its &quot;kzoffers.html&quot;  You&#039;ve dropped the &#039;s&#039; and that&#039;s why it isn&#039;t working.

Of course, the question is why did the father&#039;s day contest and affiliation with Focus suddenly vanish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>omeone else wrote that the first page loaded up fine for them, but  they noticed the two different URL’s. So they went to the second link manually and got the same “page not found error.”</i></p>
<p>Ditto here.  But the second link you are redirected to from the old Focus link isn&#8217;t &#8220;kzoffer.html&#8221; its &#8220;kzoffers.html&#8221;  You&#8217;ve dropped the &#8216;s&#8217; and that&#8217;s why it isn&#8217;t working.</p>
<p>Of course, the question is why did the father&#8217;s day contest and affiliation with Focus suddenly vanish?</p>
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		<title>By: PiaSharn</title>
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		<dc:creator>PiaSharn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I click on the first link (fotf.html), I get redirected to the other page (kzoffer.html), and it loads just fine. If I try to go directly to the second (kzoffer.html) link, though, I too get an error. (However, the first link still works, although it continues to redirect me.)

I&#039;m using IE with Windows XP (Home Edition), I get my internet access through Alltel, and this was the first time that I tried to visit the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I click on the first link (fotf.html), I get redirected to the other page (kzoffer.html), and it loads just fine. If I try to go directly to the second (kzoffer.html) link, though, I too get an error. (However, the first link still works, although it continues to redirect me.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m using IE with Windows XP (Home Edition), I get my internet access through Alltel, and this was the first time that I tried to visit the site.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene D</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/11/2185/comment-page-1#comment-11921</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Does TiVo’s page load for you?
Page not found

2. Is this the first time you tried accessing the web page at TiVo?
No.

3. Did you clear your browsers’ cache and/or deleted cookies? Do you get a different result if you do?
Yes. No.

4. Please specify which browser, operating system, and internet provider is giving you your results.

Firefox, XP, Bell Canada</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Does TiVo’s page load for you?<br />
Page not found</p>
<p>2. Is this the first time you tried accessing the web page at TiVo?<br />
No.</p>
<p>3. Did you clear your browsers’ cache and/or deleted cookies? Do you get a different result if you do?<br />
Yes. No.</p>
<p>4. Please specify which browser, operating system, and internet provider is giving you your results.</p>
<p>Firefox, XP, Bell Canada</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Hudson</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/11/2185/comment-page-1#comment-11910</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Does TiVo’s page load for you?
No

2. Is this the first time you tried accessing the web page at TiVo?
Yes

3. Did you clear your browsers’ cache and/or deleted cookies? Do you get a different result if you do?
Yes, no.

4. Please specify which browser, operating system, and internet provider is giving you your results.
Mozilla Firefox on my mac, Mac for windows, cable internet from Cox</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Does TiVo’s page load for you?<br />
No</p>
<p>2. Is this the first time you tried accessing the web page at TiVo?<br />
Yes</p>
<p>3. Did you clear your browsers’ cache and/or deleted cookies? Do you get a different result if you do?<br />
Yes, no.</p>
<p>4. Please specify which browser, operating system, and internet provider is giving you your results.<br />
Mozilla Firefox on my mac, Mac for windows, cable internet from Cox</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Page not found. Firefox on Mac OS X. first time visiting.</description>
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		<title>By: ScottJ</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/11/2185/comment-page-1#comment-11904</link>
		<dc:creator>ScottJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot find the page either...however, the Tivo promotion is still on the FOTF website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot find the page either&#8230;however, the Tivo promotion is still on the FOTF website.</p>
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