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	<title>Comments on: Gay Brains</title>
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	<description>News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric</description>
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		<title>By: Drowssap</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/16/2215/comment-page-1#comment-12243</link>
		<dc:creator>Drowssap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Ephilei&lt;/b&gt;

I read the section a couple times and the scientists made it clear that they DO NOT know if the brain changes are set in motion before or after birth.

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Sex difference in brain size has been shown to be present at birth (48), and some volumetric data suggest that sex differences in hemispheric asymmetry exist already in the human fetus (49, 50), although other studies failed to detect them (51, 52). Adult patterns of cerebral asymmetry (53), as well some features of regional sexual dimorphism, are detected already in children (54). Cerebral maturation continues, however, after puberty, especially in boys (31), providing a substrate for effects of social/environmental factors. However, to attribute such effects to the present results would require a detailed comprehension of how specific environmental factors relate to the four groups investigated, and how they affect various cerebral circuits. &lt;b&gt;In the light of currently available information this can only be speculative.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ephilei</b></p>
<p>I read the section a couple times and the scientists made it clear that they DO NOT know if the brain changes are set in motion before or after birth.</p>
<p>&#8212;-</p>
<p>Sex difference in brain size has been shown to be present at birth (48), and some volumetric data suggest that sex differences in hemispheric asymmetry exist already in the human fetus (49, 50), although other studies failed to detect them (51, 52). Adult patterns of cerebral asymmetry (53), as well some features of regional sexual dimorphism, are detected already in children (54). Cerebral maturation continues, however, after puberty, especially in boys (31), providing a substrate for effects of social/environmental factors. However, to attribute such effects to the present results would require a detailed comprehension of how specific environmental factors relate to the four groups investigated, and how they affect various cerebral circuits. <b>In the light of currently available information this can only be speculative.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Ephilei</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/16/2215/comment-page-1#comment-12238</link>
		<dc:creator>Ephilei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always critical of supposed landmark studies until they&#039;re accepted at large. in this case, what area of the brain did they study and why do they think this area doesn&#039;t change over time? Notice the use of &quot;LIKELY to be fixed at birth.&quot; The study mentions symetry of the size of the hemispheres, but common sense would say that does change. Just compare the head size of an infant and an adult.

Good news is that if this is accurate, they&#039;ll be no selectively aborting gays since i dont know how to perform an MRI in utero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always critical of supposed landmark studies until they&#8217;re accepted at large. in this case, what area of the brain did they study and why do they think this area doesn&#8217;t change over time? Notice the use of &#8220;LIKELY to be fixed at birth.&#8221; The study mentions symetry of the size of the hemispheres, but common sense would say that does change. Just compare the head size of an infant and an adult.</p>
<p>Good news is that if this is accurate, they&#8217;ll be no selectively aborting gays since i dont know how to perform an MRI in utero.</p>
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		<title>By: quo III</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/16/2215/comment-page-1#comment-12235</link>
		<dc:creator>quo III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just the way that article is written makes me scornful. The opening sentence is: &#039;Brain scans have provided the most compelling evidence yet that being gay or straight is a biologically fixed trait.&#039;

Really, if there&#039;s already &#039;compelling&#039; evidence that being gay or straight is a biologically fixed trait, what was the point of this study?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just the way that article is written makes me scornful. The opening sentence is: &#8216;Brain scans have provided the most compelling evidence yet that being gay or straight is a biologically fixed trait.&#8217;</p>
<p>Really, if there&#8217;s already &#8216;compelling&#8217; evidence that being gay or straight is a biologically fixed trait, what was the point of this study?</p>
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		<title>By: quo III</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/16/2215/comment-page-1#comment-12233</link>
		<dc:creator>quo III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I note that there was no comment in that New Scientist article about whether the differences that study found were absolute or simply averages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note that there was no comment in that New Scientist article about whether the differences that study found were absolute or simply averages.</p>
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		<title>By: Drowssap</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/16/2215/comment-page-1#comment-12231</link>
		<dc:creator>Drowssap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then again things might work out like this Churchill quote...

&quot;Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on.&quot; 

I fear by next week Narth will post a special article on how SSA is the result of faulty parenting and various LGBT sites will post threads that focus on Bailey&#039;s 1991 twin study.

Great Zeus! I fear some things will never change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then again things might work out like this Churchill quote&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on.&#8221; </p>
<p>I fear by next week Narth will post a special article on how SSA is the result of faulty parenting and various LGBT sites will post threads that focus on Bailey&#8217;s 1991 twin study.</p>
<p>Great Zeus! I fear some things will never change.</p>
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		<title>By: Drowssap</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/16/2215/comment-page-1#comment-12229</link>
		<dc:creator>Drowssap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That study is a landmark!

A) The studied brain differences aren&#039;t the result of learned behavior.  That&#039;s huge!

B) According to the scientists involved these brain differences don&#039;t appear to be the result of genetics.  That&#039;s huge!

C) &lt;a href=&quot;http://ki.se/ki/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=130&amp;a=57919&amp;l=en&amp;newsdep=130&amp;newsdep=130&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The other Swedish study&lt;/a&gt; from yesterday suggests that SSA is 61% to 66% environment.  Once again HUGE!

D) WOW!

Yesterday was seismic for people on every side of the scientific debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That study is a landmark!</p>
<p>A) The studied brain differences aren&#8217;t the result of learned behavior.  That&#8217;s huge!</p>
<p>B) According to the scientists involved these brain differences don&#8217;t appear to be the result of genetics.  That&#8217;s huge!</p>
<p>C) <a href="http://ki.se/ki/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=130&amp;a=57919&amp;l=en&amp;newsdep=130&amp;newsdep=130" rel="nofollow">The other Swedish study</a> from yesterday suggests that SSA is 61% to 66% environment.  Once again HUGE!</p>
<p>D) WOW!</p>
<p>Yesterday was seismic for people on every side of the scientific debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/16/2215/comment-page-1#comment-12121</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry.  Fixed now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry.  Fixed now.</p>
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		<title>By: quo III</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/16/2215/comment-page-1#comment-12119</link>
		<dc:creator>quo III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was the source of this information? There doesn&#039;t seem to be a link in this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was the source of this information? There doesn&#8217;t seem to be a link in this post.</p>
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