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	<title>Comments on: LaBarbera Award: This Guy</title>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/17/2224/comment-page-1#comment-12413</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone tried to contact this guy and invite him to read what is bewing said about him? Might be helpful. Or instructive. Or amusing. Or annoying. 

Or a complete waste of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone tried to contact this guy and invite him to read what is bewing said about him? Might be helpful. Or instructive. Or amusing. Or annoying. </p>
<p>Or a complete waste of time.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8216;God killed him for loving fags&#8217; : PinkNews.co.uk</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/17/2224/comment-page-1#comment-12353</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8216;God killed him for loving fags&#8217; : PinkNews.co.uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] quick LaBarbera Award for protester who mocked man who collapsed in San Francisco [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] quick LaBarbera Award for protester who mocked man who collapsed in San Francisco [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Johno</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/17/2224/comment-page-1#comment-12342</link>
		<dc:creator>Johno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the culture now at a tipping point in regard to attitudes toward us, Real Christians should take it upon themselves to loudly differentiate themselves from these opinions if there really is a difference, and if those who do not hate are really in the majority. And I don&#039;t mean as individuals. It isn&#039;t up to me or any gay person to validate their choice of religion for them, especially when the above is the only message we get. As Jason noted the response is almost never loud official condemnation for these people who would call themselves Christians, but silent complicity. 
I agree with not being absolutist in use of language, but most people here put Christian in quotes when referring to these people anyway. That&#039;s already more than the anti-gay industry does for us.
Churches and organizations that don&#039;t approve of this behavior need to speak up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the culture now at a tipping point in regard to attitudes toward us, Real Christians should take it upon themselves to loudly differentiate themselves from these opinions if there really is a difference, and if those who do not hate are really in the majority. And I don&#8217;t mean as individuals. It isn&#8217;t up to me or any gay person to validate their choice of religion for them, especially when the above is the only message we get. As Jason noted the response is almost never loud official condemnation for these people who would call themselves Christians, but silent complicity.<br />
I agree with not being absolutist in use of language, but most people here put Christian in quotes when referring to these people anyway. That&#8217;s already more than the anti-gay industry does for us.<br />
Churches and organizations that don&#8217;t approve of this behavior need to speak up.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Lanigan</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/17/2224/comment-page-1#comment-12330</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Lanigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is a mistake to link anti-gay bigotry with all Christians and Christianity in general. The anti-gay industry has had a vested interest in trying to make a necessary link between these concepts.

In truth, even folks who describe themselves as &quot;evangelical&quot; and &quot;Catholic&quot; are hardly monolithic in their views towards the LGBT community and its legitimate aspirations. 

People like this gentlemen should be labelled for what they really are: &quot;anti-gay pseudo-christians&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is a mistake to link anti-gay bigotry with all Christians and Christianity in general. The anti-gay industry has had a vested interest in trying to make a necessary link between these concepts.</p>
<p>In truth, even folks who describe themselves as &#8220;evangelical&#8221; and &#8220;Catholic&#8221; are hardly monolithic in their views towards the LGBT community and its legitimate aspirations. </p>
<p>People like this gentlemen should be labelled for what they really are: &#8220;anti-gay pseudo-christians&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/17/2224/comment-page-1#comment-12284</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So have FOF, Exodus, AFA, CWFA, or anyone else popped up to say what an unchristian response that was?

Or is it the usual silent complicity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So have FOF, Exodus, AFA, CWFA, or anyone else popped up to say what an unchristian response that was?</p>
<p>Or is it the usual silent complicity?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Blaze</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/17/2224/comment-page-1#comment-12274</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Blaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link. This dude&#039;s definitely nuts. 

But there&#039;s not need for the quotation marks around Storm&#039;s name. It&#039;s his legal name. I guess his parents were hippies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link. This dude&#8217;s definitely nuts. </p>
<p>But there&#8217;s not need for the quotation marks around Storm&#8217;s name. It&#8217;s his legal name. I guess his parents were hippies.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/17/2224/comment-page-1#comment-12255</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, I would like to apologize to the many people that were offended by this individual posing as a &quot;CHRISTIAN&quot; Clearly this is a gentleman that has not learned &quot;too much who has been forgiven, much will be loved.&quot; 
 Someone in this frame of mind has not come to grips with their own need of Love, compassion, kindness,forgiveness for it to be truly given away. Basically a stone thrower with a hell of a beam in his own eye.  The senselessness of going around and pointing fingers at people is NON-CHRSITAIN. 
 &quot;As Christ has forgiven you , you should forgive others&quot;..obviously these finger pointing &quot;CHRSITIANS&quot; have not learned that they had a need for forgiveness and forgiveness is bigger then an act of what one does, it is what we are made of of as people. 
We all have proclivity to do wrong,offend, harass, point fingers, judge and the list can go on and on never exhausting itself.
What the world needs to see is &quot;CHRISTIANS&quot; that possess who they claim God is about and what they say they have received. To me not to portray this from the heart is the most evilness of hypocrites for what is not being portrayed transcends people. ..Love, kindness, compassion, forgiveness. I guess you can&#039;t profess if you don&#039;t possess
P.S. If someone felt a need to know or come to want to know about GOD, who would want a GOD that breeds children as hateful as this person? This is a warped veiw in an attempt to win brownie points with GOD. How sad , how foolish. besides I thought  God took away the sins of the world.
&quot;Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.&quot; so why are we as &quot;CHRISTIANS&quot; messing around with what GOD took care of. Let others know GOD loves them period.
http://www.realanswers.net/radio/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, I would like to apologize to the many people that were offended by this individual posing as a &#8220;CHRISTIAN&#8221; Clearly this is a gentleman that has not learned &#8220;too much who has been forgiven, much will be loved.&#8221;<br />
 Someone in this frame of mind has not come to grips with their own need of Love, compassion, kindness,forgiveness for it to be truly given away. Basically a stone thrower with a hell of a beam in his own eye.  The senselessness of going around and pointing fingers at people is NON-CHRSITAIN.<br />
 &#8220;As Christ has forgiven you , you should forgive others&#8221;..obviously these finger pointing &#8220;CHRSITIANS&#8221; have not learned that they had a need for forgiveness and forgiveness is bigger then an act of what one does, it is what we are made of of as people.<br />
We all have proclivity to do wrong,offend, harass, point fingers, judge and the list can go on and on never exhausting itself.<br />
What the world needs to see is &#8220;CHRISTIANS&#8221; that possess who they claim God is about and what they say they have received. To me not to portray this from the heart is the most evilness of hypocrites for what is not being portrayed transcends people. ..Love, kindness, compassion, forgiveness. I guess you can&#8217;t profess if you don&#8217;t possess<br />
P.S. If someone felt a need to know or come to want to know about GOD, who would want a GOD that breeds children as hateful as this person? This is a warped veiw in an attempt to win brownie points with GOD. How sad , how foolish. besides I thought  God took away the sins of the world.<br />
&#8220;Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.&#8221; so why are we as &#8220;CHRISTIANS&#8221; messing around with what GOD took care of. Let others know GOD loves them period.<br />
<a href="http://www.realanswers.net/radio/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.realanswers.net/radio/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Johno</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/17/2224/comment-page-1#comment-12245</link>
		<dc:creator>Johno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The words that I use have no malice, no hatred, and no malicious intent in them; every word I speak has the motive (as much as I understand my own motives) for the highest good of my listeners, even though sometimes at that moment it sounds like a hard word.&quot;

-Kevin Farrer

http://www.crytogod.com/articles.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The words that I use have no malice, no hatred, and no malicious intent in them; every word I speak has the motive (as much as I understand my own motives) for the highest good of my listeners, even though sometimes at that moment it sounds like a hard word.&#8221;</p>
<p>-Kevin Farrer</p>
<p><a href="http://www.crytogod.com/articles.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.crytogod.com/articles.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Johno</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/17/2224/comment-page-1#comment-12239</link>
		<dc:creator>Johno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: low numbers for protesters, there is an AP article circulating out there somewhere (I can no longer find it as there have been so many and some of them have been updated over and over again...) that implies a deliberate strategy on the part of the anti-marriage folks to get their side to stay away, so as not to look like jerks, in the hope that there will be a backlash towards gays and not them.
I&#039;m sure they would have liked to muzzle Phelps too, but it seems not to have mattered, most of the MSM coverage I&#039;ve seen (especially TV news stories,) has been light on the importance and jubilation, (no Del and Phyllis,) and gentle on the opposition while carefully describing their position and the November election for most of the piece; one article I saw that was clearly about the Phelps clan at City Hall yesterday went way out of the way not to name them or describe their signs. 
I doubt there will be any MSM coverage of Kevin Farrer either, though he deserves Michael Richards-style villification. 
I&#039;m a little disturbed by the sense of MSM complicity after reading about the intentional lack of protest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: low numbers for protesters, there is an AP article circulating out there somewhere (I can no longer find it as there have been so many and some of them have been updated over and over again&#8230;) that implies a deliberate strategy on the part of the anti-marriage folks to get their side to stay away, so as not to look like jerks, in the hope that there will be a backlash towards gays and not them.<br />
I&#8217;m sure they would have liked to muzzle Phelps too, but it seems not to have mattered, most of the MSM coverage I&#8217;ve seen (especially TV news stories,) has been light on the importance and jubilation, (no Del and Phyllis,) and gentle on the opposition while carefully describing their position and the November election for most of the piece; one article I saw that was clearly about the Phelps clan at City Hall yesterday went way out of the way not to name them or describe their signs.<br />
I doubt there will be any MSM coverage of Kevin Farrer either, though he deserves Michael Richards-style villification.<br />
I&#8217;m a little disturbed by the sense of MSM complicity after reading about the intentional lack of protest.</p>
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		<title>By: JTW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JTW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if there was any doubt about the inability of reasonable people to engage Kevin in civil debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltIUCvrJMd8

http://www.crytogod.com/articles.html

But one cannot debate faith with the faithful, can one?  That&#039;s the beauty of faith, after all--it admits of no debate, because it demands an unquestioning, non-evidence-based approach to understanding of the world.

Arguments based on reason and evidence are of no avail against such certainty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if there was any doubt about the inability of reasonable people to engage Kevin in civil debate:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltIUCvrJMd8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltIUCvrJMd8</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.crytogod.com/articles.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.crytogod.com/articles.html</a></p>
<p>But one cannot debate faith with the faithful, can one?  That&#8217;s the beauty of faith, after all&#8211;it admits of no debate, because it demands an unquestioning, non-evidence-based approach to understanding of the world.</p>
<p>Arguments based on reason and evidence are of no avail against such certainty.</p>
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