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	<title>Comments on: Arizona Senate Breaks Own Rules To Pass Anti-Marriage Amendment</title>
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		<title>By: MauraHennessey</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/28/2293/comment-page-1#comment-12987</link>
		<dc:creator>MauraHennessey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arizona has a history on this issue, &quot;protecting marriage.&quot;
In 1931 they amended their marriage laws because with immigration they had fallen out of date:
&quot;The marriage of a person of Caucasian blood with a Negro, Mongolian, Malay, or Hindu shall be null and void.&quot; 

So; John McCain is not really a maverick. He is an Arizona traditionalist after all.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arizona has a history on this issue, &#8220;protecting marriage.&#8221;<br />
In 1931 they amended their marriage laws because with immigration they had fallen out of date:<br />
&#8220;The marriage of a person of Caucasian blood with a Negro, Mongolian, Malay, or Hindu shall be null and void.&#8221; </p>
<p>So; John McCain is not really a maverick. He is an Arizona traditionalist after all&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: NG</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/28/2293/comment-page-1#comment-12952</link>
		<dc:creator>NG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paula Aboud:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/14473293744ee658

The video is a bit more dramatic. As Aboud spoke, people left the room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula Aboud:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zshare.net/audio/14473293744ee658" rel="nofollow">http://www.zshare.net/audio/14473293744ee658</a></p>
<p>The video is a bit more dramatic. As Aboud spoke, people left the room.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/28/2293/comment-page-1#comment-12921</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it has anything to do with morals at all. It&#039;s all aobut republican party politics. McSame is Arizonan, remember?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it has anything to do with morals at all. It&#8217;s all aobut republican party politics. McSame is Arizonan, remember?</p>
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		<title>By: AJD</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/28/2293/comment-page-1#comment-12887</link>
		<dc:creator>AJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason D,

My point exactly. It&#039;s not even Machiavellian. It&#039;s what happens when you become so irrevocably convinced that you&#039;re on the &quot;right&quot; side that you&#039;ll do anything to make sure that you win. They don&#039;t see their actions as immoral because, in the grand scheme of things, they honestly think they&#039;re doing the &quot;right thing,&quot; what God wants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason D,</p>
<p>My point exactly. It&#8217;s not even Machiavellian. It&#8217;s what happens when you become so irrevocably convinced that you&#8217;re on the &#8220;right&#8221; side that you&#8217;ll do anything to make sure that you win. They don&#8217;t see their actions as immoral because, in the grand scheme of things, they honestly think they&#8217;re doing the &#8220;right thing,&#8221; what God wants.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/28/2293/comment-page-1#comment-12844</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Funny, the “moral values” crowd are the ones always willing to behave immorally.&quot;


it&#039;s very machiavellian, they don&#039;t see it as immoral if you do it for god.  You can lie about gays, break your own rules, do whatever you want, as long as it&#039;s for Jesus, it doesn&#039;t matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Funny, the “moral values” crowd are the ones always willing to behave immorally.&#8221;</p>
<p>it&#8217;s very machiavellian, they don&#8217;t see it as immoral if you do it for god.  You can lie about gays, break your own rules, do whatever you want, as long as it&#8217;s for Jesus, it doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/28/2293/comment-page-1#comment-12842</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m going to reproduce a link that John Aravosis posted a week or so ago. . .I think this little video sums up pretty much the mindset of the loons pushing these amendments: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rixkck8QnjY

Meanwhile, how about pushing a constitutional amendment removing some rights from dominionists for a change? The ir blatant attempt to legislate their religious beliefs as constitutional law over other rights of faith needs to be questioned at every turn. And, since they think their marriages are ordained by God, they really have no need for state-legislated special rights. Make their churches support their relationships in the same manner they demand ours be treated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m going to reproduce a link that John Aravosis posted a week or so ago. . .I think this little video sums up pretty much the mindset of the loons pushing these amendments: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rixkck8QnjY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rixkck8QnjY</a></p>
<p>Meanwhile, how about pushing a constitutional amendment removing some rights from dominionists for a change? The ir blatant attempt to legislate their religious beliefs as constitutional law over other rights of faith needs to be questioned at every turn. And, since they think their marriages are ordained by God, they really have no need for state-legislated special rights. Make their churches support their relationships in the same manner they demand ours be treated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/28/2293/comment-page-1#comment-12840</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

I&#039;d be happy to do it.  Believe me, I&#039;ll be keeping a checklist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be happy to do it.  Believe me, I&#8217;ll be keeping a checklist.</p>
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		<title>By: AJD</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/28/2293/comment-page-1#comment-12838</link>
		<dc:creator>AJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, the &quot;moral values&quot; crowd are the ones always willing to behave immorally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, the &#8220;moral values&#8221; crowd are the ones always willing to behave immorally.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Krotz</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/28/2293/comment-page-1#comment-12835</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Krotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent piece. I also posted a piece on my blog but yours added info I didn&#039;t include in mine. I am very happy to see this.

Obviously, we all need to work together not only to defeat this bigoted and homophobic Amendment but also to defeat the politicians who voted for it. &quot;Gay Pride&quot; is, once again, taking on a very important role in American politics. Not only for our own community but also for the perpetuation of the simple concepts of honesty, fairness and justice in the American political system in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent piece. I also posted a piece on my blog but yours added info I didn&#8217;t include in mine. I am very happy to see this.</p>
<p>Obviously, we all need to work together not only to defeat this bigoted and homophobic Amendment but also to defeat the politicians who voted for it. &#8220;Gay Pride&#8221; is, once again, taking on a very important role in American politics. Not only for our own community but also for the perpetuation of the simple concepts of honesty, fairness and justice in the American political system in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/06/28/2293/comment-page-1#comment-12824</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, after the November elections (or even after any primaries yet to happen) would you please update us on the careers of those 16, especially Bee, who defied their districts and voted for this disaster? It will be good to know that voting for such obviously discriminatory amendments are now career ending moves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, after the November elections (or even after any primaries yet to happen) would you please update us on the careers of those 16, especially Bee, who defied their districts and voted for this disaster? It will be good to know that voting for such obviously discriminatory amendments are now career ending moves.</p>
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