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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>El Rose, just as blacks rights weren&#039;t put up for a vote neither should gay people&#039;s rights be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Rose, just as blacks rights weren&#8217;t put up for a vote neither should gay people&#8217;s rights be.</p>
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		<title>By: El Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let the people vote. Simple as that.</description>
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		<title>By: Embarrassed citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Embarrassed citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is embarrassing and laughable.  I agree that this piece of legislation is pointless and is also political.  That doesn&#039;t allow you to attack with such obvious bitterness and &#039;cry baby&#039; screams.  I am on your side but totally appalled by your approach and lack of leadership.  Stop whining and make your voice heard without attacking someone else and their beliefs.  You should be ashamed of yourself and resign to do us who support your views a better qualified representative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is embarrassing and laughable.  I agree that this piece of legislation is pointless and is also political.  That doesn&#8217;t allow you to attack with such obvious bitterness and &#8216;cry baby&#8217; screams.  I am on your side but totally appalled by your approach and lack of leadership.  Stop whining and make your voice heard without attacking someone else and their beliefs.  You should be ashamed of yourself and resign to do us who support your views a better qualified representative.</p>
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		<title>By: Spontus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spontus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a few things that can be done! Take a look at Senator Harper&#039;s view from Arizona Legislative District 4 and have all of your Republican and Independent friends vote for John Zerby for State Senate!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Harper [mailto:jhrtp@msn.com] 

Subject: Militant Liberals will stop at nothing to defeat Senator Harper in the Republican Primary.

Friends,
 
I have heard it several times so far, &quot;I thought your opponent in the debate was a Democrat.  He&#039;s a Republican?&quot;  
 
That&#039;s right!  If you watched the C.C.E.C. debate between myself and challenger, John Zerby, you would question his registration as well.  No one could believe the liberal positions that Zerby was taking.  It all comes down to the liberal special-interest groups that Zerby has pledge allegiance to.  In the audience was a member of a militant gay and lesbian organization that apparently had coached Zerby on his talking points to oppose the Marriage Amendment.  Also in the audience were several union members that supported Zerby&#039;s call for higher taxes and socialized medicine.  
 
As you may have heard, the head of a gay-rights group in Arizona has vowed to defeat the legislators that referred the Marriage Amendment to the ballot.  In what appears to a choreographed smear by the Democratic Party, Senator Cheuvront, the only openly homosexual Senator has lodged a partisan complaint with the Senate Ethics Committee against me.  My opponent and the militant liberal groups that support him will undoubtedly jump on the issue.  I am confident that the complaint will be dismissed, as the Republican Caucus Attorney has stated that Cheuvront and Aboud (The only openly lesbian Senator) did not have the right to hold the floor without making new points.  They only repeated themselves several time to kill the opportunity to refer the Marriage Amendment to the ballot.  This is &quot;dilatory&quot; by Senate Rules, and is not allowed.
 
Because of the Democratic Party meddling in my Republican Primary election, yet again, the Republican Committee for Legislative District Four endorsed my candidacy at the LD-4 meeting tonight, July 21st.  For this reason, and that Zerby has never attended a Republican event and refuses to still, the district committee decided to endorse rather than stay neutral.
 
The culture war did not end when the Marriage Amendment was referred to the ballot.  Are you ready to get involved and make a difference?  It is within 45 days of the primary election, and state law prevents HOA&#039;s from banning political yard signs.  Can I put one in your yard?  Just email back and see how your time sacrifice can push this campaign to victory!
 
State Senator Jack Harper
623-680-3530
 
Harper under attack in today&#039;s paper:
Ariz. Dems file ethics complaint over GOP tactic
by Amanda J. Crawford - Jul. 21, 2008 07:32 PM
The Arizona Republic 
An end-of-session maneuver that cut short a Democratic filibuster and paved the way for lawmakers to refer the same-sex marriage ban to the fall ballot is now the subject of a rare formal ethics complaint...
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/07/21/20080721ethics0721-ON.html
 

 
  State Senator
   Jack Harper</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few things that can be done! Take a look at Senator Harper&#8217;s view from Arizona Legislative District 4 and have all of your Republican and Independent friends vote for John Zerby for State Senate!</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;Original Message&#8212;&#8211;<br />
From: Jack Harper [mailto:jhrtp@msn.com] </p>
<p>Subject: Militant Liberals will stop at nothing to defeat Senator Harper in the Republican Primary.</p>
<p>Friends,</p>
<p>I have heard it several times so far, &#8220;I thought your opponent in the debate was a Democrat.  He&#8217;s a Republican?&#8221;  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s right!  If you watched the C.C.E.C. debate between myself and challenger, John Zerby, you would question his registration as well.  No one could believe the liberal positions that Zerby was taking.  It all comes down to the liberal special-interest groups that Zerby has pledge allegiance to.  In the audience was a member of a militant gay and lesbian organization that apparently had coached Zerby on his talking points to oppose the Marriage Amendment.  Also in the audience were several union members that supported Zerby&#8217;s call for higher taxes and socialized medicine.  </p>
<p>As you may have heard, the head of a gay-rights group in Arizona has vowed to defeat the legislators that referred the Marriage Amendment to the ballot.  In what appears to a choreographed smear by the Democratic Party, Senator Cheuvront, the only openly homosexual Senator has lodged a partisan complaint with the Senate Ethics Committee against me.  My opponent and the militant liberal groups that support him will undoubtedly jump on the issue.  I am confident that the complaint will be dismissed, as the Republican Caucus Attorney has stated that Cheuvront and Aboud (The only openly lesbian Senator) did not have the right to hold the floor without making new points.  They only repeated themselves several time to kill the opportunity to refer the Marriage Amendment to the ballot.  This is &#8220;dilatory&#8221; by Senate Rules, and is not allowed.</p>
<p>Because of the Democratic Party meddling in my Republican Primary election, yet again, the Republican Committee for Legislative District Four endorsed my candidacy at the LD-4 meeting tonight, July 21st.  For this reason, and that Zerby has never attended a Republican event and refuses to still, the district committee decided to endorse rather than stay neutral.</p>
<p>The culture war did not end when the Marriage Amendment was referred to the ballot.  Are you ready to get involved and make a difference?  It is within 45 days of the primary election, and state law prevents HOA&#8217;s from banning political yard signs.  Can I put one in your yard?  Just email back and see how your time sacrifice can push this campaign to victory!</p>
<p>State Senator Jack Harper<br />
623-680-3530</p>
<p>Harper under attack in today&#8217;s paper:<br />
Ariz. Dems file ethics complaint over GOP tactic<br />
by Amanda J. Crawford &#8211; Jul. 21, 2008 07:32 PM<br />
The Arizona Republic<br />
An end-of-session maneuver that cut short a Democratic filibuster and paved the way for lawmakers to refer the same-sex marriage ban to the fall ballot is now the subject of a rare formal ethics complaint&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/07/21/20080721ethics0721-ON.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/07/21/20080721ethics0721-ON.html</a></p>
<p>  State Senator<br />
   Jack Harper</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>El rose-- I won&#039;t get into your basic bigotry, but I will make some comments.

1) The arizona lehgislature did not act correctly. their constitutents had already rejected the measure. This was strictly for political gain.

2) Marriage is not a sacrament, except inside of churches, and even then, given the divorce rate, it&#039;s only a sacrament for a little while. 

There are churches, and a great many more ministers of many denominations, who consider gay marriage a sacrament as well. their beliefs are unimportant, or just wrong? Where is THEIR freedom of religion in this?

Or, since their religious beliefs are clearly in error (when compared to yours), their freedom of religion doesn&#039;t count?

3) Marriage is a civil contract regulated by the state. That is what the AZ legislature is addressing, not sacramental marriage in a church. All citizens should have access to that contract-- that is equality before the law.

4) Who is it that is really trying to change the definiton of marriage-- those who want marriage open to all citizens who can legally consent to the contraact, and fulfill its rights and benefits and obligations, or those who are trying to redefine it into a strictly religious institution, which it is not and has not been for at least a few hundred years?

5) and ifnally, and most important-- this really isn&#039;t aobut marriage at all, is it, at least for the anti-marriage crowd. It is REALLY about how much the very existence of gay people bothers some straight people, as well as some gay-people-who-wanna-be-striahgt-but-they&#039;re-not...

...and how all even pretense to religious or poilitical or constitutional principles really takes second place to that basic prejudice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El rose&#8211; I won&#8217;t get into your basic bigotry, but I will make some comments.</p>
<p>1) The arizona lehgislature did not act correctly. their constitutents had already rejected the measure. This was strictly for political gain.</p>
<p>2) Marriage is not a sacrament, except inside of churches, and even then, given the divorce rate, it&#8217;s only a sacrament for a little while. </p>
<p>There are churches, and a great many more ministers of many denominations, who consider gay marriage a sacrament as well. their beliefs are unimportant, or just wrong? Where is THEIR freedom of religion in this?</p>
<p>Or, since their religious beliefs are clearly in error (when compared to yours), their freedom of religion doesn&#8217;t count?</p>
<p>3) Marriage is a civil contract regulated by the state. That is what the AZ legislature is addressing, not sacramental marriage in a church. All citizens should have access to that contract&#8211; that is equality before the law.</p>
<p>4) Who is it that is really trying to change the definiton of marriage&#8211; those who want marriage open to all citizens who can legally consent to the contraact, and fulfill its rights and benefits and obligations, or those who are trying to redefine it into a strictly religious institution, which it is not and has not been for at least a few hundred years?</p>
<p>5) and ifnally, and most important&#8211; this really isn&#8217;t aobut marriage at all, is it, at least for the anti-marriage crowd. It is REALLY about how much the very existence of gay people bothers some straight people, as well as some gay-people-who-wanna-be-striahgt-but-they&#8217;re-not&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;and how all even pretense to religious or poilitical or constitutional principles really takes second place to that basic prejudice.</p>
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		<title>By: AJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They all have been led to believe that the anti-marriage amendment will bring more hard-right voters to the polls in November, and they will benefit from it. It would appear it doesn’t matter to them how many LGBT people get hurt on their way to higher office.&quot;

This is the sort of thing that George Washington (the only independent president in U.S. history) was warning us about when he criticized the idea of political parties. He worried that they would become more concerned with serving themselves than with serving the country. He was right.

I read once that people who rely on the emotional side of their brains are more likely to become politicians than people who use the logical side. The childish behavior these people displayed appears to prove that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They all have been led to believe that the anti-marriage amendment will bring more hard-right voters to the polls in November, and they will benefit from it. It would appear it doesn’t matter to them how many LGBT people get hurt on their way to higher office.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the sort of thing that George Washington (the only independent president in U.S. history) was warning us about when he criticized the idea of political parties. He worried that they would become more concerned with serving themselves than with serving the country. He was right.</p>
<p>I read once that people who rely on the emotional side of their brains are more likely to become politicians than people who use the logical side. The childish behavior these people displayed appears to prove that.</p>
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		<title>By: El Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I commend the Arizona legislature. They acted correctly.

Marriage belongs to the union of man and woman. Stop screaming for inclusion into an institution and sacrament that requires consumation. Let&#039;s be frank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commend the Arizona legislature. They acted correctly.</p>
<p>Marriage belongs to the union of man and woman. Stop screaming for inclusion into an institution and sacrament that requires consumation. Let&#8217;s be frank.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/01/2303/comment-page-1#comment-12999</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truly disgusting thing is that clearly some Republican legislators knew that this vote was not in the best interest of the state.  Changing votes, blaming constituents, those are actions of principle and honor.  That is despicable behavior and, even if they are &quot;validated&quot; at the polls they will have to live the rest of their lives knowing that they selfishly chose to harm their constituents.  

They took political action that will result in pain for others. And guilt, remorse, and regret will be their reward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truly disgusting thing is that clearly some Republican legislators knew that this vote was not in the best interest of the state.  Changing votes, blaming constituents, those are actions of principle and honor.  That is despicable behavior and, even if they are &#8220;validated&#8221; at the polls they will have to live the rest of their lives knowing that they selfishly chose to harm their constituents.  </p>
<p>They took political action that will result in pain for others. And guilt, remorse, and regret will be their reward.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“Why are you afraid of our love? Are you afraid of me? Do I scare you?” Every Republican (besides Carolyn Allen) voted yes, then turned their backs and left the floor in the middle of Aboud’s speech.&quot;
That was one of the saddests part of this whole ordeal. From a reader point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Why are you afraid of our love? Are you afraid of me? Do I scare you?” Every Republican (besides Carolyn Allen) voted yes, then turned their backs and left the floor in the middle of Aboud’s speech.&#8221;<br />
That was one of the saddests part of this whole ordeal. From a reader point of view.</p>
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