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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/11/2348/comment-page-1#comment-13627</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Bland;

Before you continue to defend the work of Mr White citing the work of Paul Cameron, perhaps you should read Paul Cameron&#039;s biography. It is available here.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_cameron_sheet.html

I have contacted my own insurance broker, as well as the Canadian insurance companies that link through your web site, and also provided them with a copy of Mr. White&#039;s work, which you so handily have posted on this site. I can only relate to you that my own broker now takes a very dim view of insure.com and its ethical (or lack thereof) practices. Undoubtedly, Canadian insurer&#039;s will as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Bland;</p>
<p>Before you continue to defend the work of Mr White citing the work of Paul Cameron, perhaps you should read Paul Cameron&#8217;s biography. It is available here.</p>
<p><a href="http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_cameron_sheet.html" rel="nofollow">http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_cameron_sheet.html</a></p>
<p>I have contacted my own insurance broker, as well as the Canadian insurance companies that link through your web site, and also provided them with a copy of Mr. White&#8217;s work, which you so handily have posted on this site. I can only relate to you that my own broker now takes a very dim view of insure.com and its ethical (or lack thereof) practices. Undoubtedly, Canadian insurer&#8217;s will as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bland</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/11/2348/comment-page-1#comment-13626</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Bland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here’s the entire November 15, 2007 article at Insure.com on the possible link between homosexuality and mortality.  It&#039;s a life insurance article, one of 3,000 that we&#039;e published since 1995.  
Insure.com does not believe that it contains factual errors or editorial bias.  It acknowledges that critics have questions on the Cameron research.  Insure.com has no political agenda.  We’re also working on re-researching this topic and expect this to take up to 3-4 more weeks.

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The remainder of this comment is a word-for-word copy of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/11/2348#comment-13387&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this comment&lt;/a&gt; earlier in this thread. Since Mr. Bland is no longer interested in actually discussing anything and would rather instead simply cut and paste his previous comments in mindless repetition, we will be placing him on moderation. When he has something original to say, we will approve it for publication.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s the entire November 15, 2007 article at Insure.com on the possible link between homosexuality and mortality.  It&#8217;s a life insurance article, one of 3,000 that we&#8217;e published since 1995.<br />
Insure.com does not believe that it contains factual errors or editorial bias.  It acknowledges that critics have questions on the Cameron research.  Insure.com has no political agenda.  We’re also working on re-researching this topic and expect this to take up to 3-4 more weeks.</p>
<p><em><strong>The remainder of this comment is a word-for-word copy of <a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/11/2348#comment-13387" rel="nofollow" class="articleLink">this comment</a> earlier in this thread. Since Mr. Bland is no longer interested in actually discussing anything and would rather instead simply cut and paste his previous comments in mindless repetition, we will be placing him on moderation. When he has something original to say, we will approve it for publication.</strong></em></p>
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		<title>By: Bene D</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/11/2348/comment-page-1#comment-13456</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t know how to shop for insurance online if my life depended on it.
 
On a drop down menu I see Canadian provinces, so I&#039;m assuming insure.com solicits Canadians. 
Insure.com appears to offer Canadians travel insurance, long term care insurance has a none-US field. There may be sections I&#039;ve missed.

I&#039;ll be phoning my insurance company, they are listed on the site. I&#039;ll be contacting my broker, the regulatory board and the provincial liason dept.
 
Individuals and groups can be notified to The Canadian Council of Insurance Regulators and the companies using the site.

If the site is hosted in the US, there may not be much that can be done except expose this and sent formal complaints.

Insurance regulation is shared with provinces, and complaints certainly don&#039;t have to come from &#039;gay activists&#039; this information may violate Canadian regulations.  

It would be helpful to have a Canadian in the insurance industry weigh in.

http://www.ibc.ca/en/Need_More_Info/Links/Regulators.asp

False information available to Canadian insurers isn&#039;t necessary. 

Would these boards benefit from contact regarding insure.com&#039;s misinformation?

http://www.ccir-ccrra.org/CCIR/links/web_sites_members_en.htm 

I need expert advice on how to proceed and how to help others proceed.

a) a list of exclusively Cdn companies on insure.com
b) a list of US companies doing business in Canada
c) a brief and succint description of the article misinformation fora check  against Canadian consumer law and the Regulatory board and for complaintants.

While this article on insure.com is  &#039;informational&#039; it may violate Canadian provincial and federal regulations. 

If Mr. Bland doesn&#039;t feel the article doesn&#039;t need to be taken down, I would think  insurers operating in Canada would want to make informed choices about their connection to insure.com.

The complaints we can register in Canada need to be brief, accurate, specific and clear.

My insurance company is there, I&#039;ll be phoning them tommorw.

Any Canadians with regulatory information able to weigh in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t know how to shop for insurance online if my life depended on it.</p>
<p>On a drop down menu I see Canadian provinces, so I&#8217;m assuming insure.com solicits Canadians.<br />
Insure.com appears to offer Canadians travel insurance, long term care insurance has a none-US field. There may be sections I&#8217;ve missed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be phoning my insurance company, they are listed on the site. I&#8217;ll be contacting my broker, the regulatory board and the provincial liason dept.</p>
<p>Individuals and groups can be notified to The Canadian Council of Insurance Regulators and the companies using the site.</p>
<p>If the site is hosted in the US, there may not be much that can be done except expose this and sent formal complaints.</p>
<p>Insurance regulation is shared with provinces, and complaints certainly don&#8217;t have to come from &#8216;gay activists&#8217; this information may violate Canadian regulations.  </p>
<p>It would be helpful to have a Canadian in the insurance industry weigh in.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ibc.ca/en/Need_More_Info/Links/Regulators.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.ibc.ca/en/Need_More_Info/Links/Regulators.asp</a></p>
<p>False information available to Canadian insurers isn&#8217;t necessary. </p>
<p>Would these boards benefit from contact regarding insure.com&#8217;s misinformation?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ccir-ccrra.org/CCIR/links/web_sites_members_en.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ccir-ccrra.org/CCIR/links/web_sites_members_en.htm</a> </p>
<p>I need expert advice on how to proceed and how to help others proceed.</p>
<p>a) a list of exclusively Cdn companies on insure.com<br />
b) a list of US companies doing business in Canada<br />
c) a brief and succint description of the article misinformation fora check  against Canadian consumer law and the Regulatory board and for complaintants.</p>
<p>While this article on insure.com is  &#8216;informational&#8217; it may violate Canadian provincial and federal regulations. </p>
<p>If Mr. Bland doesn&#8217;t feel the article doesn&#8217;t need to be taken down, I would think  insurers operating in Canada would want to make informed choices about their connection to insure.com.</p>
<p>The complaints we can register in Canada need to be brief, accurate, specific and clear.</p>
<p>My insurance company is there, I&#8217;ll be phoning them tommorw.</p>
<p>Any Canadians with regulatory information able to weigh in?</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, thank you very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, thank you very much.</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for Arkansas Blue Cross &amp; Blue Shield, and I see where our company&#039;s name (complete with our logo) comes up as the first option when I do a search for health insurance in my area.  I will email the link for the gay mortality article to our public relations people so they can have a look and see if it&#039;s anything they care to be associated with.  I suspect it is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for Arkansas Blue Cross &amp; Blue Shield, and I see where our company&#8217;s name (complete with our logo) comes up as the first option when I do a search for health insurance in my area.  I will email the link for the gay mortality article to our public relations people so they can have a look and see if it&#8217;s anything they care to be associated with.  I suspect it is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Throckmorton</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/11/2348/comment-page-1#comment-13425</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Throckmorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Bland - I address the Cameron research &lt;a href=&quot;http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/07/13/insurecom-in-gay-lifespan-dispute&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt; However, I have not been able to find where you have addressed one of the bigger puzzles in this dispute which is why your writer left this information from Hogg et al, out of the White article on gay mortality:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In contrast, if we were to repeat this analysis today the life expectancy of gay and bisexual men would be greatly improved. Deaths from HIV infection have declined dramatically in this population since 1996. As we have previously reported there has been a threefold decrease in mortality in Vancouver as well as in other parts of British Columbia .

It is essential to note that the life expectancy of any population is a descriptive and not a prescriptive mesaure. Death is a product of the way a person lives and what physical and environmental hazards he or she faces everyday. It cannot be attributed solely to their sexual orientation or any other ethnic or social factor. If estimates of an individual gay and bisexual man’s risk of death is truly needed for legal or other purposes, then people making these estimates should use the same actuarial tables that are used for all other males in that population. Gay and bisexual men are included in the construction of official population-based tables and therefore these tables for all males are the appropriate ones to be used.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Here Hogg et al are saying that for actuarial purposes, their study is irrelevant. The lifespans would be expected to improve coming out of the AIDS crisis and their work should not be used in the way your writer used it. Is this not reason enough to remove the article until you can say something relevant and accurate to your readers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Bland &#8211; I address the Cameron research <a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/07/13/insurecom-in-gay-lifespan-dispute" rel="nofollow">here.</a> However, I have not been able to find where you have addressed one of the bigger puzzles in this dispute which is why your writer left this information from Hogg et al, out of the White article on gay mortality:</p>
<blockquote><p>In contrast, if we were to repeat this analysis today the life expectancy of gay and bisexual men would be greatly improved. Deaths from HIV infection have declined dramatically in this population since 1996. As we have previously reported there has been a threefold decrease in mortality in Vancouver as well as in other parts of British Columbia .</p>
<p>It is essential to note that the life expectancy of any population is a descriptive and not a prescriptive mesaure. Death is a product of the way a person lives and what physical and environmental hazards he or she faces everyday. It cannot be attributed solely to their sexual orientation or any other ethnic or social factor. If estimates of an individual gay and bisexual man’s risk of death is truly needed for legal or other purposes, then people making these estimates should use the same actuarial tables that are used for all other males in that population. Gay and bisexual men are included in the construction of official population-based tables and therefore these tables for all males are the appropriate ones to be used.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here Hogg et al are saying that for actuarial purposes, their study is irrelevant. The lifespans would be expected to improve coming out of the AIDS crisis and their work should not be used in the way your writer used it. Is this not reason enough to remove the article until you can say something relevant and accurate to your readers?</p>
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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this point I don&#039;t think it should matter if the material is removed or not.  There needs to be action taken against this company and contact made with companies who allow Insurance.com to represent them.  He had all the chance in the world to make this right and be given grudging forgiveness but in my opinion that time has passed.  It&#039;s time for action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point I don&#8217;t think it should matter if the material is removed or not.  There needs to be action taken against this company and contact made with companies who allow Insurance.com to represent them.  He had all the chance in the world to make this right and be given grudging forgiveness but in my opinion that time has passed.  It&#8217;s time for action.</p>
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		<title>By: Sapphocrat</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/11/2348/comment-page-1#comment-13413</link>
		<dc:creator>Sapphocrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Without any political agenda whatsoever,&quot; eh, Mr. Bland? Or should I say, Mr. Illinois Right to Life Committee Board Member? Or how about Mr. Lifequotes.com, who made no new friends with his lavish praise of Bill O&#039;Reilly at DailyKos?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/12/01124/752

If, as you say, Mr. Bland, you neither attest to or deny &quot;the accuracy of the third party research&quot; -- which has been debunked repeatedly, as has the so-called &quot;researcher,&quot; Paul Cameron -- then why would anyone trust your opinion about life insurance, or any other subject? It sounds to me like you don&#039;t do your homework very thoroughly. 

Face it, Mr. Bland: You got busted. You have a very clear political agenda indeed, and by refusing to remove the article, you&#039;re doing no favors to your own credibility -- or the credibility of Insure.com, or any other business you run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Without any political agenda whatsoever,&#8221; eh, Mr. Bland? Or should I say, Mr. Illinois Right to Life Committee Board Member? Or how about Mr. Lifequotes.com, who made no new friends with his lavish praise of Bill O&#8217;Reilly at DailyKos?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/12/01124/752" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/12/01124/752</a></p>
<p>If, as you say, Mr. Bland, you neither attest to or deny &#8220;the accuracy of the third party research&#8221; &#8212; which has been debunked repeatedly, as has the so-called &#8220;researcher,&#8221; Paul Cameron &#8212; then why would anyone trust your opinion about life insurance, or any other subject? It sounds to me like you don&#8217;t do your homework very thoroughly. </p>
<p>Face it, Mr. Bland: You got busted. You have a very clear political agenda indeed, and by refusing to remove the article, you&#8217;re doing no favors to your own credibility &#8212; or the credibility of Insure.com, or any other business you run.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something to think about.

There will be a point at which any customer of Insure.com, or its affiliated insurers, particularly those customers who were denied coverage, offered sub-prime coverage, or offered coverage with additional fees or contingencies, will appropriately wonder if the material on Insure.com&#039;s website contributed in any negative way to the underwriting process.

Consumer confidence is particularly critcial to an industry that, in essence, sells it reputation for trustworthiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something to think about.</p>
<p>There will be a point at which any customer of Insure.com, or its affiliated insurers, particularly those customers who were denied coverage, offered sub-prime coverage, or offered coverage with additional fees or contingencies, will appropriately wonder if the material on Insure.com&#8217;s website contributed in any negative way to the underwriting process.</p>
<p>Consumer confidence is particularly critcial to an industry that, in essence, sells it reputation for trustworthiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

I&#039;ve verified it. It is the same Robert Bland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve verified it. It is the same Robert Bland.</p>
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