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	<title>Comments on: Insure.com CEO Defends Paul Cameron</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Bland</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/14/2351/comment-page-1#comment-40229</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Bland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 16:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice mention in New York Times today about information that Insure.com offers gay couples as respects health insurance.

“It’s not easy being gay,” said Mary Jo Hudson, director of the Ohio Department of Insurance. She wasn’t referring to political opposition and other obstacles, but the plight of same-sex couples who are trying to get and keep health insurance.  Many employers and insurance companies require proof of a domestic partnership before you can qualify for benefits. One of the most common documents is an affidavit signed by both partners, explaining the details of the relationship. For more information on what needs to be included in an affidavit, the Web site insure.com offers a check list.&quot; 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/health/09patient.html?_r=1&amp;ref=health</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice mention in New York Times today about information that Insure.com offers gay couples as respects health insurance.</p>
<p>“It’s not easy being gay,” said Mary Jo Hudson, director of the Ohio Department of Insurance. She wasn’t referring to political opposition and other obstacles, but the plight of same-sex couples who are trying to get and keep health insurance.  Many employers and insurance companies require proof of a domestic partnership before you can qualify for benefits. One of the most common documents is an affidavit signed by both partners, explaining the details of the relationship. For more information on what needs to be included in an affidavit, the Web site insure.com offers a check list.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/health/09patient.html?_r=1&#038;ref=health" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/health/09patient.html?_r=1&#038;ref=health</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stefano A</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/14/2351/comment-page-1#comment-13621</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefano A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:

I&#039;m unsure of the number of employess. It may be &quot;small&quot; in terms of employees, but it Insure.com has a large web footprint. They&#039;ve been heraleded by Forbes magazine and others as one of the &quot;best of the web&quot; insurance sites.

I&#039;m also not sure, but I think they are owned by bestquotes.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m unsure of the number of employess. It may be &#8220;small&#8221; in terms of employees, but it Insure.com has a large web footprint. They&#8217;ve been heraleded by Forbes magazine and others as one of the &#8220;best of the web&#8221; insurance sites.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also not sure, but I think they are owned by bestquotes.com.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy,

The above cut and past letter to you from Mr. Brand from June 2, 2008 seems like it was written by two different people.  

The first 4 paragraphs seemed perfectly professional.  The sort of thing you might expect in response from an insurance company.  Although it is from the CEO, and that seems strange, unless this is a very small outfit.

The last two paragraphs are so angry, and have such a different tone, that they don&#039;t even seem related to the first part of the letter.

It must be a fairly small company whose leaders don&#039;t have much PR sense.  You just wouldn&#039;t get this sort of vitriol from a larger, more professional organization with an established PR department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>The above cut and past letter to you from Mr. Brand from June 2, 2008 seems like it was written by two different people.  </p>
<p>The first 4 paragraphs seemed perfectly professional.  The sort of thing you might expect in response from an insurance company.  Although it is from the CEO, and that seems strange, unless this is a very small outfit.</p>
<p>The last two paragraphs are so angry, and have such a different tone, that they don&#8217;t even seem related to the first part of the letter.</p>
<p>It must be a fairly small company whose leaders don&#8217;t have much PR sense.  You just wouldn&#8217;t get this sort of vitriol from a larger, more professional organization with an established PR department.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/14/2351/comment-page-1#comment-13616</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should aslo be noted that there is another article of interest to gay consumers.  With the title, &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.insure.com/articles/healthinsurance/domestic-partner.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Health insurance benefits for domestic partners&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;, one might think that it would provide information relevant to individuals in those seven states that have Domestic Partnerships or Civil Unions as well as perhaps some info for the additional two that have marriage recognition.

Sadly, this article - which was updated Jun. 3, 2004 - is woefully outdated and inaccurate.  For example, some of the statements within include:

&lt;blockquote&gt;No state currently recognizes same-sex marriages.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obviously that is no longer true

&lt;blockquote&gt;Even as employers are increasingly looking to offer domestic partner benefits, health insurers are resisting selling plans that include such coverage. They fear that an employees gay partner might contract AIDS, an exorbitantly expensive disease to treat. No individual health insurers sell policies with domestic partner benefits. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t know about all states, but since 01/01/05, in California all insurance providers were required by law to treat Domestic Partners identically to spouses.  New Jersey also requires insurers to provide domestic partnership coverage.

Although the article is inaccurate, it is the sort of information that a site like insure.com should provide.  

Sadly, much more effort has been expended in propogating false and defamatory claims that can be used by anti-gay activists than in updating an article that could provide true and useful information valuable to the company&#039;s potential gay customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should aslo be noted that there is another article of interest to gay consumers.  With the title, <i><a href="http://www.insure.com/articles/healthinsurance/domestic-partner.html" rel="nofollow">Health insurance benefits for domestic partners</a></i>, one might think that it would provide information relevant to individuals in those seven states that have Domestic Partnerships or Civil Unions as well as perhaps some info for the additional two that have marriage recognition.</p>
<p>Sadly, this article &#8211; which was updated Jun. 3, 2004 &#8211; is woefully outdated and inaccurate.  For example, some of the statements within include:</p>
<blockquote><p>No state currently recognizes same-sex marriages.</p></blockquote>
<p>Obviously that is no longer true</p>
<blockquote><p>Even as employers are increasingly looking to offer domestic partner benefits, health insurers are resisting selling plans that include such coverage. They fear that an employees gay partner might contract AIDS, an exorbitantly expensive disease to treat. No individual health insurers sell policies with domestic partner benefits. </p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about all states, but since 01/01/05, in California all insurance providers were required by law to treat Domestic Partners identically to spouses.  New Jersey also requires insurers to provide domestic partnership coverage.</p>
<p>Although the article is inaccurate, it is the sort of information that a site like insure.com should provide.  </p>
<p>Sadly, much more effort has been expended in propogating false and defamatory claims that can be used by anti-gay activists than in updating an article that could provide true and useful information valuable to the company&#8217;s potential gay customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Bland has seen fit to cut and paste an email that he sent to me on June 2, 2008.  I&#039;ve no idea why he&#039;s posting it here at this time.

Our readers may wish to know that we had no interest in auditing Mr. Blands records or in providing ad-hoc editorials.  Frankly, I&#039;ve no idea where he came up with that.  Nor had we branded him or his company as homophobic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Bland has seen fit to cut and paste an email that he sent to me on June 2, 2008.  I&#8217;ve no idea why he&#8217;s posting it here at this time.</p>
<p>Our readers may wish to know that we had no interest in auditing Mr. Blands records or in providing ad-hoc editorials.  Frankly, I&#8217;ve no idea where he came up with that.  Nor had we branded him or his company as homophobic.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Bland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>June 2, 2008:

Dear Mr. Kincaid,
I have already asked our editororial personnel to re-check our facts on the NOvember 15, 2007 article in question.

It will take us several days to complete our fact-checking on this article, which we are happy to do and we thank you for taking the time and effort to write us citing your concerns.  
We&#039;re currently hosting about 3,000 articles in total and we are always ready and willing to recheck our facts when any reader states that they have found a factual error.  We will thoroughly recheck our sources on these articles and we thank you again for taking the time and effort to write.  
 
Insure.com has no corporate political agenda on this or any other political issue, but is interested in publishing accurate insurance-oriented information that might be of interest to consumers.
 
However, you clearly have more than a one-article accuracy concern on your mind today.  I didn&#039;t mention this in my earlier note to you today in the spirit of openness and cooperation, but your 1 minute claim that my 24 year-old firm is &quot;homophobic&quot; based upon your reading of one article or writer Joe White has published anything that is &quot;fraudulent&quot; or that we are otherwise now in need of your services to audit our hiring or marketing policies is going to fall on deaf ears here, especially given that you&#039;ve decided you already know everything you need to know about us and that your two communications to us today both inflammatory, ill-researched, overly-emotional, highly-biased and perjorative claims that could be misleading and damaging to my firm&#039;s sterling reputation.
 
You know nothing about us and we are not in need of any of your audit services or ad hoc editorials at the present time.  You&#039;ve read one of our 3,000 articles, didn&#039;t like it and have then made all sorts of aggrandized assumptions and conclusions about us.  


Sincerely,
Bob Bland, CEO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>June 2, 2008:</p>
<p>Dear Mr. Kincaid,<br />
I have already asked our editororial personnel to re-check our facts on the NOvember 15, 2007 article in question.</p>
<p>It will take us several days to complete our fact-checking on this article, which we are happy to do and we thank you for taking the time and effort to write us citing your concerns.<br />
We&#8217;re currently hosting about 3,000 articles in total and we are always ready and willing to recheck our facts when any reader states that they have found a factual error.  We will thoroughly recheck our sources on these articles and we thank you again for taking the time and effort to write.  </p>
<p>Insure.com has no corporate political agenda on this or any other political issue, but is interested in publishing accurate insurance-oriented information that might be of interest to consumers.</p>
<p>However, you clearly have more than a one-article accuracy concern on your mind today.  I didn&#8217;t mention this in my earlier note to you today in the spirit of openness and cooperation, but your 1 minute claim that my 24 year-old firm is &#8220;homophobic&#8221; based upon your reading of one article or writer Joe White has published anything that is &#8220;fraudulent&#8221; or that we are otherwise now in need of your services to audit our hiring or marketing policies is going to fall on deaf ears here, especially given that you&#8217;ve decided you already know everything you need to know about us and that your two communications to us today both inflammatory, ill-researched, overly-emotional, highly-biased and perjorative claims that could be misleading and damaging to my firm&#8217;s sterling reputation.</p>
<p>You know nothing about us and we are not in need of any of your audit services or ad hoc editorials at the present time.  You&#8217;ve read one of our 3,000 articles, didn&#8217;t like it and have then made all sorts of aggrandized assumptions and conclusions about us.  </p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Bob Bland, CEO</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve sent another message to Kanetix.ca regarding the content on the insure.com website, as well as copying the communication to the Ontario Human Rights Commission, and the Federal Human Rights Commission.

In Canada we take the publishing of lies attacking a minority very seriously. Though I expect a response from the Provincial Human Right Commission, our current Prime Minister (What&#039;s 12&quot; and hangs between George Bush&#039;s legs? Stephen Harper&#039;s tie.) is so spineless, that I don&#039;t imagine much will happen on the Federal side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve sent another message to Kanetix.ca regarding the content on the insure.com website, as well as copying the communication to the Ontario Human Rights Commission, and the Federal Human Rights Commission.</p>
<p>In Canada we take the publishing of lies attacking a minority very seriously. Though I expect a response from the Provincial Human Right Commission, our current Prime Minister (What&#8217;s 12&#8243; and hangs between George Bush&#8217;s legs? Stephen Harper&#8217;s tie.) is so spineless, that I don&#8217;t imagine much will happen on the Federal side.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick ONeill</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/14/2351/comment-page-1#comment-13543</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick ONeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to see someone in California file a complaint with the Attorney General about Insure.coms&#039; using these articles.

I would if I lived in a state that actually had anti-discrimination laws, and Bland is a registered agent doing business in CA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see someone in California file a complaint with the Attorney General about Insure.coms&#8217; using these articles.</p>
<p>I would if I lived in a state that actually had anti-discrimination laws, and Bland is a registered agent doing business in CA</p>
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		<title>By: banshiii</title>
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		<dc:creator>banshiii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, probably time for us all to get to work exposing this numnut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, probably time for us all to get to work exposing this numnut.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Moderate</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/14/2351/comment-page-1#comment-13520</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Moderate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy and Jim,

Wow, very impressive work, guys!  I am wholly amazed at this CEO&#039;s responses.  Glad that you guys are on his ass.  

Great work,

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy and Jim,</p>
<p>Wow, very impressive work, guys!  I am wholly amazed at this CEO&#8217;s responses.  Glad that you guys are on his ass.  </p>
<p>Great work,</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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