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	<title>Comments on: Even the Anti-Gays want Randy Thomasson to Get Lost</title>
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		<title>By: Selly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jarred, my thoughts exactly.

And I should add that as far as I can tell, quiet a few, if not most readers/commenters on BTB(including the editors?)are what you would call moderate Christians or some sort of Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jarred, my thoughts exactly.</p>
<p>And I should add that as far as I can tell, quiet a few, if not most readers/commenters on BTB(including the editors?)are what you would call moderate Christians or some sort of Christians.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard:

Moderate Christians &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; spoken up and some of us &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; heard their voice.  If memory serves, BTB (or was it XGW?) has posted statements from at least two different Mainstream Protestant churches praising the California Supreme Court&#039;s decision in favor of marriage equality.  And there are strong pushes in several of these denominations for full inclusion and respect for gay people going on.

If you&#039;re basing your opinion of the moderate Christians&#039; vocal support of the GLBT community and our fight for full quality soley on the fact that they haven&#039;t amy massive political organizations like the AFA or the CCF, then I might suggest that you don&#039;t understand the way they operate or the reasons for it.  Instead of forming their own organizations, they would prefer to get involved with the HRC and already pre-existing gay rights advocacy groups.  And indeed, many moderate Christians have done exactly that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard:</p>
<p>Moderate Christians <i>have</i> spoken up and some of us <i>have</i> heard their voice.  If memory serves, BTB (or was it XGW?) has posted statements from at least two different Mainstream Protestant churches praising the California Supreme Court&#8217;s decision in favor of marriage equality.  And there are strong pushes in several of these denominations for full inclusion and respect for gay people going on.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re basing your opinion of the moderate Christians&#8217; vocal support of the GLBT community and our fight for full quality soley on the fact that they haven&#8217;t amy massive political organizations like the AFA or the CCF, then I might suggest that you don&#8217;t understand the way they operate or the reasons for it.  Instead of forming their own organizations, they would prefer to get involved with the HRC and already pre-existing gay rights advocacy groups.  And indeed, many moderate Christians have done exactly that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/16/2370/comment-page-1#comment-13685</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find myself wondering if &quot;they&#039;ll hurt our message&quot; is a valid legal argument to prevent a group like the CCF from supporting your cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find myself wondering if &#8220;they&#8217;ll hurt our message&#8221; is a valid legal argument to prevent a group like the CCF from supporting your cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don’t you mean the voice of the radical Christianists?&quot;

It may feel comforting for moderate Christians to view &quot;radical Christianists&quot; as substantially different from themselves. But I think all variations of Christianity are built upon the same delusional foundation. Once you truly believe in the existence of gods, virgin birth, resurrection, heaven, hell, saviours, and salvation, etc., it really is not that much of a leap to becoming a fundamentalist (&amp;/or a &quot;radical Christianist&quot;). The moderate Christians make it possible for the radicals to exist in such large numbers.

I might feel somewhat differently if I heard the moderates forcefully countering the radicals. But what I do hear forcefully every day are the voices of the radicals.

Virtually 100% of our organized opposition is Christian based. They are motivated, loud, well funded, and persistent. And those we consider our moderate Christian allies are, for the most part, unmotivated, quiet, and unorganized for any significant action on our behalf.

So, if the moderates don&#039;t like the loud loony Thomasson being the voice of Christianity, then let them speak up so we hear a different voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don’t you mean the voice of the radical Christianists?&#8221;</p>
<p>It may feel comforting for moderate Christians to view &#8220;radical Christianists&#8221; as substantially different from themselves. But I think all variations of Christianity are built upon the same delusional foundation. Once you truly believe in the existence of gods, virgin birth, resurrection, heaven, hell, saviours, and salvation, etc., it really is not that much of a leap to becoming a fundamentalist (&amp;/or a &#8220;radical Christianist&#8221;). The moderate Christians make it possible for the radicals to exist in such large numbers.</p>
<p>I might feel somewhat differently if I heard the moderates forcefully countering the radicals. But what I do hear forcefully every day are the voices of the radicals.</p>
<p>Virtually 100% of our organized opposition is Christian based. They are motivated, loud, well funded, and persistent. And those we consider our moderate Christian allies are, for the most part, unmotivated, quiet, and unorganized for any significant action on our behalf.</p>
<p>So, if the moderates don&#8217;t like the loud loony Thomasson being the voice of Christianity, then let them speak up so we hear a different voice.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samantha Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you mean the voice of the radical Christianists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you mean the voice of the radical Christianists?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s our job to help keep loons like Thomasson portrayed as the voice of Christianity in front of the general public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s our job to help keep loons like Thomasson portrayed as the voice of Christianity in front of the general public.</p>
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