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	<title>Comments on: ABC-WaPo Poll: Gays Should Serve Openly in Military</title>
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		<title>By: AlexM</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/18/2392/comment-page-1#comment-13916</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading Larry&#039;s comment above (a few times, since he posted it two days ago), I finally decided to hold my nose and check out what she had to say about this. Just as I thought, she is spinning this in her usual manner. The CMR&#039;s main website at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cmrlink.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cmrlink.org/&lt;/a&gt; has, at the top (at this writing) a link to something new she wrote about this poll, &lt;a href=&quot;http://tank.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWY5NGQ0NWU1ODMyZjFhZjZiYjQzZTJlNTQwODIwY2I=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.
I&#039;m getting ready for work, so I don&#039;t have time to take it apart, but I&#039;m sure one of our heroes here at BTB can do a full breakdown and analysis long before I get back to my keyboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading Larry&#8217;s comment above (a few times, since he posted it two days ago), I finally decided to hold my nose and check out what she had to say about this. Just as I thought, she is spinning this in her usual manner. The CMR&#8217;s main website at <a href="http://www.cmrlink.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cmrlink.org/</a> has, at the top (at this writing) a link to something new she wrote about this poll, <a href="http://tank.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWY5NGQ0NWU1ODMyZjFhZjZiYjQzZTJlNTQwODIwY2I=" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br />
I&#8217;m getting ready for work, so I don&#8217;t have time to take it apart, but I&#8217;m sure one of our heroes here at BTB can do a full breakdown and analysis long before I get back to my keyboard.</p>
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		<title>By: cd</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/18/2392/comment-page-1#comment-13900</link>
		<dc:creator>cd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 24% of the American political spectrum is reactionaries, and they&#039;re more interested in social issues and more &#039;Christian&#039; than anyone else on the Right.  

This poll shows that everyone other than them is fine with gays in the military.  I don&#039;t think you can get them to approve.  The measure for them is that they stop caring and stop pushing, i.e. say they&#039;re undecided.

Over at PollingReport.Com the full ABC/WaPo numbers on the specific question are 75% in favor, 22% opposed, 3% undecided.  That basically says the 24% are still uniformly opposed, unfortunately.

Short federal political analysis: there&#039;s no punishment for Democrats to ending DADT- that bloc only votes Republican.  Moderate Republicans are on dicey ground but their votes are not needed.  Red State Republicans won&#039;t dare go against their base, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 24% of the American political spectrum is reactionaries, and they&#8217;re more interested in social issues and more &#8216;Christian&#8217; than anyone else on the Right.  </p>
<p>This poll shows that everyone other than them is fine with gays in the military.  I don&#8217;t think you can get them to approve.  The measure for them is that they stop caring and stop pushing, i.e. say they&#8217;re undecided.</p>
<p>Over at PollingReport.Com the full ABC/WaPo numbers on the specific question are 75% in favor, 22% opposed, 3% undecided.  That basically says the 24% are still uniformly opposed, unfortunately.</p>
<p>Short federal political analysis: there&#8217;s no punishment for Democrats to ending DADT- that bloc only votes Republican.  Moderate Republicans are on dicey ground but their votes are not needed.  Red State Republicans won&#8217;t dare go against their base, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: GDad</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/18/2392/comment-page-1#comment-13871</link>
		<dc:creator>GDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what the tipping point might be.  If 75% of Americans say that LQTBG(etc.) people should serve openly in the military, is that enough to get a majority of Congress to vote on the matter?  What if it gets to 80%?

Cynicism... running... high...  Must... lie... down....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what the tipping point might be.  If 75% of Americans say that LQTBG(etc.) people should serve openly in the military, is that enough to get a majority of Congress to vote on the matter?  What if it gets to 80%?</p>
<p>Cynicism&#8230; running&#8230; high&#8230;  Must&#8230; lie&#8230; down&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/18/2392/comment-page-1#comment-13862</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor Elaine Donnelly at the Center for Military Manliness is probably clutching her pearls and stomping around the office about now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor Elaine Donnelly at the Center for Military Manliness is probably clutching her pearls and stomping around the office about now.</p>
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		<title>By: Devlin Bach</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/18/2392/comment-page-1#comment-13852</link>
		<dc:creator>Devlin Bach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the law is dropped, I do hope retroactivity is honored and that all military personnel effected will be offered a return to their posts and/or military. An apology and fiscal restitution would be pushing it, though I would vote to award treble damages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the law is dropped, I do hope retroactivity is honored and that all military personnel effected will be offered a return to their posts and/or military. An apology and fiscal restitution would be pushing it, though I would vote to award treble damages.</p>
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