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		<title>By: Protect Marriage Equality &#187; Will Arizona Be Abandoned?</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/29/2453/comment-page-1#comment-14688</link>
		<dc:creator>Protect Marriage Equality &#187; Will Arizona Be Abandoned?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the entire essay by Barbara McCullough-Jones at Box Turtle Bulletin.  posted by Equality Blogger at 12:55 am filed under Campaigns, Initiatives &amp; Elections, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the entire essay by Barbara McCullough-Jones at Box Turtle Bulletin.  posted by Equality Blogger at 12:55 am filed under Campaigns, Initiatives &amp; Elections, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/29/2453/comment-page-1#comment-14665</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ephilei,

You appear to be mistaken in your facts.  California did not &quot;deal with an amendment&quot; just fine.

I believe you are thinking of Proposition 22, a revision to California civil code that banned the state from recognizing same-sex marriages.  Prop 22 did not amend the Constitution, just the code. 

And it was because of this that the state Supreme Court found that Prop 22  - and other current civil code restrictions  that disallowed marriage equality - were in violation of the equal protections clauses of the state constitution.

In California, anti-gays are seeking to change the constitution via Proposition 8.  This would reverse the &quot;dealing with&quot; of the court.

A legislative ban on marriage is QUITE different from a constitutional ban.  A constitutional ban can only be reversed by a vote of the citizens via referrendum.  A legislative ban can be reveresed at any time by a vote of legislators or by a determination of the court that a state constitution requires equal treatment under the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ephilei,</p>
<p>You appear to be mistaken in your facts.  California did not &#8220;deal with an amendment&#8221; just fine.</p>
<p>I believe you are thinking of Proposition 22, a revision to California civil code that banned the state from recognizing same-sex marriages.  Prop 22 did not amend the Constitution, just the code. </p>
<p>And it was because of this that the state Supreme Court found that Prop 22  &#8211; and other current civil code restrictions  that disallowed marriage equality &#8211; were in violation of the equal protections clauses of the state constitution.</p>
<p>In California, anti-gays are seeking to change the constitution via Proposition 8.  This would reverse the &#8220;dealing with&#8221; of the court.</p>
<p>A legislative ban on marriage is QUITE different from a constitutional ban.  A constitutional ban can only be reversed by a vote of the citizens via referrendum.  A legislative ban can be reveresed at any time by a vote of legislators or by a determination of the court that a state constitution requires equal treatment under the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Ephilei</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/29/2453/comment-page-1#comment-14661</link>
		<dc:creator>Ephilei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, I meant &quot;CA did seem to deal&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, I meant &#8220;CA did seem to deal&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ephilei</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/29/2453/comment-page-1#comment-14660</link>
		<dc:creator>Ephilei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to Ms Mcullough-Jones
I fully support legalizing same-sex marriage and I want to inform you why I won&#039;t support Equality AZ in this regard:

* I don&#039;t live in AZ and am uncomfortable that a state decision is influenced by out of state forces. In my home state of IL, I am working for civil unions and eventually same-sex marriage and will direct my funds there.

* I don&#039;t understand the difference between AZ same-sex marriages being outlawed in its legislature vs its constitution. I hear one is harder to change, but I&#039;m unsure about that and CA didn&#039;t seem to deal with an amendment just fine. I could be wrong here, so I&#039;m open to hearing more information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Ms Mcullough-Jones<br />
I fully support legalizing same-sex marriage and I want to inform you why I won&#8217;t support Equality AZ in this regard:</p>
<p>* I don&#8217;t live in AZ and am uncomfortable that a state decision is influenced by out of state forces. In my home state of IL, I am working for civil unions and eventually same-sex marriage and will direct my funds there.</p>
<p>* I don&#8217;t understand the difference between AZ same-sex marriages being outlawed in its legislature vs its constitution. I hear one is harder to change, but I&#8217;m unsure about that and CA didn&#8217;t seem to deal with an amendment just fine. I could be wrong here, so I&#8217;m open to hearing more information.</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/29/2453/comment-page-1#comment-14657</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will donate to help in AZ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will donate to help in AZ.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/29/2453/comment-page-1#comment-14613</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danke schone, all. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danke schone, all. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Cianciotto</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/29/2453/comment-page-1#comment-14608</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Cianciotto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

If you want to support the campaign in Arizona, you can donate online at www.votenoprop102.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>If you want to support the campaign in Arizona, you can donate online at <a href="http://www.votenoprop102.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.votenoprop102.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/29/2453/comment-page-1#comment-14602</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

To be certain, I&#039;d donate to each of 

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.kintera.org/site/apps/ka/sd/donor.asp?c=kuLRJ9MRKrH&amp;b=4146053&amp;en=ijJLLYNKJjKPI0PMKbLSKhNYKlLQL6OOLjLVKcOVKhLVJmK&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Equality California&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;https://secure.ga4.org/01/noprop102&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Equality Arizona&lt;/a&gt;

Florida - &lt;a href=&quot;https://secure.ga3.org/01/ballotinitiativec4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fairness for all Families&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>To be certain, I&#8217;d donate to each of </p>
<p><a href="https://www.kintera.org/site/apps/ka/sd/donor.asp?c=kuLRJ9MRKrH&#038;b=4146053&#038;en=ijJLLYNKJjKPI0PMKbLSKhNYKlLQL6OOLjLVKcOVKhLVJmK" rel="nofollow">Equality California</a></p>
<p><a href="https://secure.ga4.org/01/noprop102" rel="nofollow">Equality Arizona</a></p>
<p>Florida &#8211; <a href="https://secure.ga3.org/01/ballotinitiativec4" rel="nofollow">Fairness for all Families</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/07/29/2453/comment-page-1#comment-14597</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m unsure; what is the best organization to donate to if I want to know that my money is going to go to the marriage issue in Florida, Arizona, and California?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m unsure; what is the best organization to donate to if I want to know that my money is going to go to the marriage issue in Florida, Arizona, and California?</p>
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