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	<title>Comments on: Sci-Fi Writer Advocates Overthrow of Government If Prop 8 Fails</title>
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	<description>News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric</description>
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		<title>By: Grigorii</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/08/01/2478/comment-page-1#comment-54463</link>
		<dc:creator>Grigorii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to found this interesting article. Never knew this, but its logged with me now. I never read many of his books anyway. How I found this site was searching &quot;anti gay scifi writers&quot; since I wished to post some horrid finding in a LeSprague De Camp book I was reading which stated gays must be kept away from any boys because they were all potential molestors. Just sick stupdity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to found this interesting article. Never knew this, but its logged with me now. I never read many of his books anyway. How I found this site was searching &#8220;anti gay scifi writers&#8221; since I wished to post some horrid finding in a LeSprague De Camp book I was reading which stated gays must be kept away from any boys because they were all potential molestors. Just sick stupdity!</p>
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		<title>By: hazelnutty.net &#8250; Orson Scott Card Joins NOM Board</title>
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		<dc:creator>hazelnutty.net &#8250; Orson Scott Card Joins NOM Board</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mormon, and has made some pretty ridiculous claims about homosexuals: Last summer, Orson Scott Card called for the overthrow of civil government if California’s Proposition 8 had failed. Writing for the Mormon Times, he said: &quot;Regardless of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mormon, and has made some pretty ridiculous claims about homosexuals: Last summer, Orson Scott Card called for the overthrow of civil government if California’s Proposition 8 had failed. Writing for the Mormon Times, he said: &#8220;Regardless of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nemo</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/08/01/2478/comment-page-1#comment-15395</link>
		<dc:creator>Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ender&#039;s Game features young men wrestling each other in the shower, naked, while covered in soap.  Methinks Card has some issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ender&#8217;s Game features young men wrestling each other in the shower, naked, while covered in soap.  Methinks Card has some issues.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/08/01/2478/comment-page-1#comment-15293</link>
		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This even made the monologue on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno.  This kind of P.R. is not helping the Proposition 8 folk in California.  This should be where we can show a link of the irrational religious zealous in Utah as one of the crazed proponents of Proposition 8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This even made the monologue on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno.  This kind of P.R. is not helping the Proposition 8 folk in California.  This should be where we can show a link of the irrational religious zealous in Utah as one of the crazed proponents of Proposition 8.</p>
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		<title>By: Ephilei</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/08/01/2478/comment-page-1#comment-15062</link>
		<dc:creator>Ephilei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautifully ironic! Western Civilization is destroyed after all . . . by the heterosexuals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautifully ironic! Western Civilization is destroyed after all . . . by the heterosexuals!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW!  I have read his ender series, I really liked it.  Out of it I got the idea of Love being the main and important force in the universe and that tolerance for others must be paramount... I hate when I find out stuff about authors I thought I knew....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!  I have read his ender series, I really liked it.  Out of it I got the idea of Love being the main and important force in the universe and that tolerance for others must be paramount&#8230; I hate when I find out stuff about authors I thought I knew&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: NancyP</title>
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		<dc:creator>NancyP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The short story Ender&#039;s Game was a decent one, if rather obvious even at the time (child raised in what amounts to a video game school, with a bit of kung fu master thrown in). One type of successful short story needs punch but not much characterization or pacing, and he was starting out reasonably well. I gather he didn&#039;t provide the extras in his long-form writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The short story Ender&#8217;s Game was a decent one, if rather obvious even at the time (child raised in what amounts to a video game school, with a bit of kung fu master thrown in). One type of successful short story needs punch but not much characterization or pacing, and he was starting out reasonably well. I gather he didn&#8217;t provide the extras in his long-form writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Suricou Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suricou Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Authors do change over time:

Piers Anthony went from respectable to super-hyper-mega-pervert.
Orson Scot Card has turned into a raving loon.
L.R Hubbard... well, that depends how much of his later works he actually believed in. He was either crazy, or one hell of a con artist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Authors do change over time:</p>
<p>Piers Anthony went from respectable to super-hyper-mega-pervert.<br />
Orson Scot Card has turned into a raving loon.<br />
L.R Hubbard&#8230; well, that depends how much of his later works he actually believed in. He was either crazy, or one hell of a con artist.</p>
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		<title>By: Mucklucky</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/08/01/2478/comment-page-1#comment-14979</link>
		<dc:creator>Mucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 04:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read a good deal of Card&#039;s books. He&#039;s gone from being interesting to a hack of major proportions. The odd thing is, his books (almost to a one) have some sort of homoerotic feel to them. 

Maybe he&#039;s just another sad closet case? I&#039;ve not taken the time to read the screeds linked here (and won&#039;t as I don&#039;t need to watch him wallow in such a sad state). 

I also won&#039;t say I&#039;ll not read any more of his books, because I stopped reading him years ago. His ability to create meaningful, interesting fiction has been destroyed by the need to churn out book after book.

That he&#039;s a raving loon (and possibly another one of those who hate what they will not allow themselves to be) has little to no bearing on this. His books (specifically almost any of his stuff after Speaker for the Dead) are just not well done. 

Not that he&#039;s the first author who has been raped by the almighty dollar.  Nor is he the first to show off his dirty underwear in public. Sort of like when I realized that Heinlein wasn&#039;t nearly as progressive as he sounded in his books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read a good deal of Card&#8217;s books. He&#8217;s gone from being interesting to a hack of major proportions. The odd thing is, his books (almost to a one) have some sort of homoerotic feel to them. </p>
<p>Maybe he&#8217;s just another sad closet case? I&#8217;ve not taken the time to read the screeds linked here (and won&#8217;t as I don&#8217;t need to watch him wallow in such a sad state). </p>
<p>I also won&#8217;t say I&#8217;ll not read any more of his books, because I stopped reading him years ago. His ability to create meaningful, interesting fiction has been destroyed by the need to churn out book after book.</p>
<p>That he&#8217;s a raving loon (and possibly another one of those who hate what they will not allow themselves to be) has little to no bearing on this. His books (specifically almost any of his stuff after Speaker for the Dead) are just not well done. </p>
<p>Not that he&#8217;s the first author who has been raped by the almighty dollar.  Nor is he the first to show off his dirty underwear in public. Sort of like when I realized that Heinlein wasn&#8217;t nearly as progressive as he sounded in his books.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/08/01/2478/comment-page-1#comment-14895</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he were a chef I would expect him to spit in my entr&#039;ee.</description>
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