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		<title>By: &#8216;Curing&#8217; homo-sexuality in 1913&#8230; : PinkNews.co.uk</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8216;Curing&#8217; homo-sexuality in 1913&#8230; : PinkNews.co.uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just thinking how brave this guy had to be, almost a hundred years ago, to write this article and push for it to be published (which he must have had to do).

Last year, I asked my boyfriend to marry me.  We&#039;re going to wait until it&#039;s actually legal where we live, but the fact that this is even a possibility rests on the foundation of people who were willing to tell the truth when no one wanted to listen.  Thank you for pointing out one more hero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just thinking how brave this guy had to be, almost a hundred years ago, to write this article and push for it to be published (which he must have had to do).</p>
<p>Last year, I asked my boyfriend to marry me.  We&#8217;re going to wait until it&#8217;s actually legal where we live, but the fact that this is even a possibility rests on the foundation of people who were willing to tell the truth when no one wanted to listen.  Thank you for pointing out one more hero.</p>
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		<title>By: Willie Hewes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willie Hewes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This category is for individuals whose sexual interests are directed primarily [...], toward sexual acts not usually associated with coitus [...]&quot;

Wait, so if you prefer oral to coitus, you&#039;re in this category too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This category is for individuals whose sexual interests are directed primarily [...], toward sexual acts not usually associated with coitus [...]&#8221;</p>
<p>Wait, so if you prefer oral to coitus, you&#8217;re in this category too?</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Twilley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Twilley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was mainly symbolic.  I mean, Freudian psychoanalysis has the same view: homosexuality is only a problem if you have a problem with it.  However that wasn&#039;t at all the way it was practiced in the U.S.  It was just a sign to the American psychiatric community that they couldn&#039;t keep ignoring the tenets of their own discipline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was mainly symbolic.  I mean, Freudian psychoanalysis has the same view: homosexuality is only a problem if you have a problem with it.  However that wasn&#8217;t at all the way it was practiced in the U.S.  It was just a sign to the American psychiatric community that they couldn&#8217;t keep ignoring the tenets of their own discipline.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Ware</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Ware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An historical footnote:

When I entered grad school in clinical psychology in the mid &#039;70&#039;s, we were issued a copy of DSM-II, the 1968 version in use at the time. I quote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;302 Sexual deviations (1)&lt;/b&gt;
This category is for individuals whose sexual interests are directed primarily toward objects other than people of the opposite sex, toward sexual acts not usually associated with coitus, or toward coitus performed under bizarre circumstances as in necrophilia, pedophilia, sexual sadism, and fetishism. Even though many find their practices distasteful, they remain unable to substitute normal sexual behavior for them. This diagnosis is not appropriate for individuals who perform deviant acts because normal sexual objects are not available to them.

&lt;b&gt;302.0 Sexual orientation disturbance [Homosexuality]&lt;/b&gt;
This is for individuals whose sexual interests are directed primarily toward people of the same sex and who are either disturbed by, in conflict with, or wish to change their sexual orientation. This diagnostic category is distinguished from homosexuality, which by itself does not constitute a psychiatric disorder. Homosexuality &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt; is one form of sexual behavior, and with other forms of sexual behavior which are not in themselves psychiatric disorders, are not listed in this nomenclature.

Footnote (1) This term and its definition are inconsistent with the change in thinking that led to the substitution of &lt;b&gt;Sexual orientation disturbance&lt;/b&gt; for &lt;b&gt;Homosexuality&lt;/b&gt; in the list below. However, since no specific recommendations were made for changing this category [302] or in its definition, this category remains unchanged for the time being.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So... Homosexuality &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt; does not constitute a psychiatric disorder circa 1968. Only if a person is &quot;disturbed&quot; by same sex attractions, does the person need psychiatric help.

This fits in with Dr. D’Orsay Hecht&#039;s outlook: if a person is fine being gay, then why is there any need for treatment, he wonders.

So what was all this fuss when homosexuality was removed altogether from the DSM-IV, when it was already considered a non-issue several years earlier unless the person was &quot;disturbed&quot; about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An historical footnote:</p>
<p>When I entered grad school in clinical psychology in the mid &#8217;70&#8217;s, we were issued a copy of DSM-II, the 1968 version in use at the time. I quote:</p>
<blockquote><p><b>302 Sexual deviations (1)</b><br />
This category is for individuals whose sexual interests are directed primarily toward objects other than people of the opposite sex, toward sexual acts not usually associated with coitus, or toward coitus performed under bizarre circumstances as in necrophilia, pedophilia, sexual sadism, and fetishism. Even though many find their practices distasteful, they remain unable to substitute normal sexual behavior for them. This diagnosis is not appropriate for individuals who perform deviant acts because normal sexual objects are not available to them.</p>
<p><b>302.0 Sexual orientation disturbance [Homosexuality]</b><br />
This is for individuals whose sexual interests are directed primarily toward people of the same sex and who are either disturbed by, in conflict with, or wish to change their sexual orientation. This diagnostic category is distinguished from homosexuality, which by itself does not constitute a psychiatric disorder. Homosexuality <i>per se</i> is one form of sexual behavior, and with other forms of sexual behavior which are not in themselves psychiatric disorders, are not listed in this nomenclature.</p>
<p>Footnote (1) This term and its definition are inconsistent with the change in thinking that led to the substitution of <b>Sexual orientation disturbance</b> for <b>Homosexuality</b> in the list below. However, since no specific recommendations were made for changing this category [302] or in its definition, this category remains unchanged for the time being.</p></blockquote>
<p>So&#8230; Homosexuality <i>per se</i> does not constitute a psychiatric disorder circa 1968. Only if a person is &#8220;disturbed&#8221; by same sex attractions, does the person need psychiatric help.</p>
<p>This fits in with Dr. D’Orsay Hecht&#8217;s outlook: if a person is fine being gay, then why is there any need for treatment, he wonders.</p>
<p>So what was all this fuss when homosexuality was removed altogether from the DSM-IV, when it was already considered a non-issue several years earlier unless the person was &#8220;disturbed&#8221; about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Box Turtle Bulletin: &#8216;Curing&#8217; homosexuality in 1913 : PinkNews.co.uk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Box Turtle Bulletin: &#8216;Curing&#8217; homosexuality in 1913 : PinkNews.co.uk</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Sportin\' Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sportin\' Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love historical items like this.  Thank you!</description>
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		<title>By: Drowssap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drowssap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Regan DuCasse&lt;/strong&gt;

Part Deux:

So if genes don&#039;t cause Schizophrenia what does?  The environment of course.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/000458.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Flu and Schizophrenia&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071016090135.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Maternal Flu Linked To Schizophrenia, Autism In Child: Mechanism Discovered&lt;/a&gt;

(sorry if this is a repost, the first one croaked I think)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Regan DuCasse</strong></p>
<p>Part Deux:</p>
<p>So if genes don&#8217;t cause Schizophrenia what does?  The environment of course.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/000458.html" rel="nofollow">Flu and Schizophrenia</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071016090135.htm" rel="nofollow">Maternal Flu Linked To Schizophrenia, Autism In Child: Mechanism Discovered</a></p>
<p>(sorry if this is a repost, the first one croaked I think)</p>
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		<title>By: Drowssap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drowssap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Regan DuCasse&lt;/strong&gt;

The eugenics movement only has 1 significant problem (other than Adolph Hitler).  The problem they have is that they are fundamentally, scientifically wrong.  Almost nothing that reduces human health and fitness is triggered by genes.

&lt;strong&gt;Example:&lt;/strong&gt;
Over the last couple of decades scientists have done over 1000 studies in an attempt to find the genes that cause or contribute to Schizophrenia.

The results are in.
&lt;strong&gt;A)&lt;/strong&gt; Researchers uncovered 3,608 possible disease genes. That&#039;s a lot of &quot;we found it!&quot; press releases.

&lt;strong&gt;B)&lt;/strong&gt; When all was said and done only 24 of these genes turned out to be statistically significant.  Most (or all) of these were extremely rare.

Natural selection works, it&#039;s the only Eugenics we need.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/31/health/research/31gene.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gene-Hunters Find Hope and Hurdles in Schizophrenia Studies&lt;/a&gt;

to be continued...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Regan DuCasse</strong></p>
<p>The eugenics movement only has 1 significant problem (other than Adolph Hitler).  The problem they have is that they are fundamentally, scientifically wrong.  Almost nothing that reduces human health and fitness is triggered by genes.</p>
<p><strong>Example:</strong><br />
Over the last couple of decades scientists have done over 1000 studies in an attempt to find the genes that cause or contribute to Schizophrenia.</p>
<p>The results are in.<br />
<strong>A)</strong> Researchers uncovered 3,608 possible disease genes. That&#8217;s a lot of &#8220;we found it!&#8221; press releases.</p>
<p><strong>B)</strong> When all was said and done only 24 of these genes turned out to be statistically significant.  Most (or all) of these were extremely rare.</p>
<p>Natural selection works, it&#8217;s the only Eugenics we need.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/31/health/research/31gene.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">Gene-Hunters Find Hope and Hurdles in Schizophrenia Studies</a></p>
<p>to be continued&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Drowssap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drowssap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Regan DuCasse&lt;/strong&gt;

The eugenics movement only has 1 significant problem (other than Adolph Hitler).  The problem they have is that they are fundamentally, scientifically wrong.  Almost nothing that reduces human health and fitness is triggered by genes.

&lt;strong&gt;Example:&lt;/strong&gt;
Over the last couple of decades scientists have done over 1000 studies in an attempt to find the genes that cause or contribute to Schizophrenia.

The results are in.
&lt;strong&gt;A)&lt;/strong&gt; Researchers uncovered 3,608 possible disease genes. That&#039;s a lot of &quot;we found it!&quot; press releases folks.

&lt;strong&gt;B)&lt;/strong&gt; When all was said and done only 24 of these genes turned out to be statistically significant.  Most (or all) of these were extremely rare.

It turns out that natural selection really does work.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/31/health/research/31gene.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gene-Hunters Find Hope and Hurdles in Schizophrenia Studies&lt;/a&gt;

So if genes don&#039;t cause Schizophrenia what does?  The environment of course.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/000458.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Flu and Schizophrenia&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071016090135.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Maternal Flu Linked To Schizophrenia, Autism In Child: Mechanism Discovered&lt;/a&gt;

(sorry if this is a repost, the first one croaked I think)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Regan DuCasse</strong></p>
<p>The eugenics movement only has 1 significant problem (other than Adolph Hitler).  The problem they have is that they are fundamentally, scientifically wrong.  Almost nothing that reduces human health and fitness is triggered by genes.</p>
<p><strong>Example:</strong><br />
Over the last couple of decades scientists have done over 1000 studies in an attempt to find the genes that cause or contribute to Schizophrenia.</p>
<p>The results are in.<br />
<strong>A)</strong> Researchers uncovered 3,608 possible disease genes. That&#8217;s a lot of &#8220;we found it!&#8221; press releases folks.</p>
<p><strong>B)</strong> When all was said and done only 24 of these genes turned out to be statistically significant.  Most (or all) of these were extremely rare.</p>
<p>It turns out that natural selection really does work.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/31/health/research/31gene.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">Gene-Hunters Find Hope and Hurdles in Schizophrenia Studies</a></p>
<p>So if genes don&#8217;t cause Schizophrenia what does?  The environment of course.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/000458.html" rel="nofollow">Flu and Schizophrenia</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071016090135.htm" rel="nofollow">Maternal Flu Linked To Schizophrenia, Autism In Child: Mechanism Discovered</a></p>
<p>(sorry if this is a repost, the first one croaked I think)</p>
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