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	<title>Comments on: Is the New Star Wars Animation Offensive?</title>
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		<title>By: GDad</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/08/15/2593/comment-page-1#comment-15639</link>
		<dc:creator>GDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did see the movie on Saturday.  Ziro the Hutt was about as stereotypical as they come.  He did speak with a pronounced Truman Capote voice.  He also had what appeared to be a brooch or a hat that was decorated with ostrich feathers.  (It&#039;s hard to tell hat from brooch when the wearer doesn&#039;t have a distinct head or neck.)

On top of that, Ziro was painted up with so much makeup that Divine would blush.

It was pretty sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did see the movie on Saturday.  Ziro the Hutt was about as stereotypical as they come.  He did speak with a pronounced Truman Capote voice.  He also had what appeared to be a brooch or a hat that was decorated with ostrich feathers.  (It&#8217;s hard to tell hat from brooch when the wearer doesn&#8217;t have a distinct head or neck.)</p>
<p>On top of that, Ziro was painted up with so much makeup that Divine would blush.</p>
<p>It was pretty sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Alonzo</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/08/15/2593/comment-page-1#comment-15623</link>
		<dc:creator>Alonzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Steve.

I also think we as people get way to sensitive sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Steve.</p>
<p>I also think we as people get way to sensitive sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/08/15/2593/comment-page-1#comment-15619</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;now I feel that I have to go just to see how this character plays out and whether or not there are, indeed, any other homophobic references.&quot;

Maybe that is the reasoning for creating a character that may, or may not, be an expression of an homophobic stereotype -

create controversy to generate an audience.

I&#039;d concluded from the previews not to waste the money or the hours to see the film, this controversy isn&#039;t going to get me to go either, but it might work on some people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;now I feel that I have to go just to see how this character plays out and whether or not there are, indeed, any other homophobic references.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe that is the reasoning for creating a character that may, or may not, be an expression of an homophobic stereotype -</p>
<p>create controversy to generate an audience.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d concluded from the previews not to waste the money or the hours to see the film, this controversy isn&#8217;t going to get me to go either, but it might work on some people.</p>
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		<title>By: kermode</title>
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		<dc:creator>kermode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure to what extent this matters to the discussion, but per canon, Hutt are, in fact, as a species, all hermaphroditic. While most Hutts choose to identify as male, some identify as female.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure to what extent this matters to the discussion, but per canon, Hutt are, in fact, as a species, all hermaphroditic. While most Hutts choose to identify as male, some identify as female.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks, Jim. I think it was the comment &quot;sith happens&quot;. let&#039;s see if it happens again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, Jim. I think it was the comment &#8220;sith happens&#8221;. let&#8217;s see if it happens again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

I have no idea. I looked it over and don&#039;t see anything that could have triggered an anti-spam response from our software.

I just released it from moderation with my apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>I have no idea. I looked it over and don&#8217;t see anything that could have triggered an anti-spam response from our software.</p>
<p>I just released it from moderation with my apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is my comment awaiting moderation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is my comment awaiting moderation?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always maintained that the star wars movies were all as morally muddled as they could possibly be, all the while presenting themselves as examplars of moral people resolving moral dilemmas morally. 

Luke can&#039;t kill the emperor, especially not out of anger, because the killing owuld taint him. but wiping out the death star is just fine-- after all, they were bad AND anonymous. And Darth Cheney, excuse me, Vader, REDEEMS himself by doing what Luke was too delicate to do? 

Anakin, because he loves too much, becomes Darth cheney, excuse me, Vader? His training as a Jedi obviously did not include any self-examination, thoughtss about loyalty, right and wrong. Sith happens. We&#039;re supposed to be sympathetic to a sort-of hero who is obviously not all that bright?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always maintained that the star wars movies were all as morally muddled as they could possibly be, all the while presenting themselves as examplars of moral people resolving moral dilemmas morally. </p>
<p>Luke can&#8217;t kill the emperor, especially not out of anger, because the killing owuld taint him. but wiping out the death star is just fine&#8211; after all, they were bad AND anonymous. And Darth Cheney, excuse me, Vader, REDEEMS himself by doing what Luke was too delicate to do? </p>
<p>Anakin, because he loves too much, becomes Darth cheney, excuse me, Vader? His training as a Jedi obviously did not include any self-examination, thoughtss about loyalty, right and wrong. Sith happens. We&#8217;re supposed to be sympathetic to a sort-of hero who is obviously not all that bright?</p>
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		<title>By: Kato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming from someone who is more acquainted with Star Wars than Capote, I saw this film with no preconceptions, and I had no idea there would even be a character called Zero. Although I personally didn&#039;t take any offence towards Zero, it was palpable to me he was portrayed to fit a certain stereotype.

Perhaps I should just blame myself for making that assumption based on Zero&#039;s appearance, but his contrast to Jabba was clearly no accident, and whatever the creators&#039; intent, there was intent nevertheless. Perhaps their intent was merely to portray Hutts in a different light, and to diversify the species much like other species in the Star Wars universe, and the public are the only ones trying to make it offensive.

His stereotypical portrayal had no real contribution towards the story, and the plot would have worked just as well had he been portrayed in a similar style to Jabba, but achieving difference for the sake of being different is more inclusive than offensive in this particular context. Obviously the only way we, as humans, would make any connection to this difference would be to apply the stereotype with which we are all familiar.

Stereotypes are exaggerated expressions that most of us can identify, and in the context of this film, perhaps such overtness was required in order for any recognition. The purpose of such portrayal and recognition? Whatever the answers are, I won&#039;t immediately jump to negative conclusions.

Zero&#039;s portrayal was insignificant to his role, and there were were only two times where I thought about his portrayal over his role: the first was when I saw him being introduced into the plot, but after a few seconds it left my mind and I was back into the flow of the story; the second was when I read the content of this post, and this was when I couldn&#039;t figure out the content by the post&#039;s title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming from someone who is more acquainted with Star Wars than Capote, I saw this film with no preconceptions, and I had no idea there would even be a character called Zero. Although I personally didn&#8217;t take any offence towards Zero, it was palpable to me he was portrayed to fit a certain stereotype.</p>
<p>Perhaps I should just blame myself for making that assumption based on Zero&#8217;s appearance, but his contrast to Jabba was clearly no accident, and whatever the creators&#8217; intent, there was intent nevertheless. Perhaps their intent was merely to portray Hutts in a different light, and to diversify the species much like other species in the Star Wars universe, and the public are the only ones trying to make it offensive.</p>
<p>His stereotypical portrayal had no real contribution towards the story, and the plot would have worked just as well had he been portrayed in a similar style to Jabba, but achieving difference for the sake of being different is more inclusive than offensive in this particular context. Obviously the only way we, as humans, would make any connection to this difference would be to apply the stereotype with which we are all familiar.</p>
<p>Stereotypes are exaggerated expressions that most of us can identify, and in the context of this film, perhaps such overtness was required in order for any recognition. The purpose of such portrayal and recognition? Whatever the answers are, I won&#8217;t immediately jump to negative conclusions.</p>
<p>Zero&#8217;s portrayal was insignificant to his role, and there were were only two times where I thought about his portrayal over his role: the first was when I saw him being introduced into the plot, but after a few seconds it left my mind and I was back into the flow of the story; the second was when I read the content of this post, and this was when I couldn&#8217;t figure out the content by the post&#8217;s title.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJD, Roddenbery was still able to explore sexuality in an episode where a species of beings with no gender come to visit the Enterprise, and one declares that it is actually a she - and falls for Riker. But her people force her to return to an androgynous identity, and she renounces her feelings for him, leaving him. 

But that sucks about Troi&#039;s mom. I loved the computer voice but always hated Troi&#039;s mom. Damn. Know how groundbreaking that would&#039;ve been?
The Chinese-acting characters were Traders? Jesus, Lucas was really going by bigot&#039;s rote, wasn&#039;t he? Considering we Americans export more goods from China than anywhere else. the Jamaican laid-back goofy stepin fetchit &quot;comic relief,&quot; the evil Jew slave trader businessman... Why is it the first 3 movies lacked all that shit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJD, Roddenbery was still able to explore sexuality in an episode where a species of beings with no gender come to visit the Enterprise, and one declares that it is actually a she &#8211; and falls for Riker. But her people force her to return to an androgynous identity, and she renounces her feelings for him, leaving him. </p>
<p>But that sucks about Troi&#8217;s mom. I loved the computer voice but always hated Troi&#8217;s mom. Damn. Know how groundbreaking that would&#8217;ve been?<br />
The Chinese-acting characters were Traders? Jesus, Lucas was really going by bigot&#8217;s rote, wasn&#8217;t he? Considering we Americans export more goods from China than anywhere else. the Jamaican laid-back goofy stepin fetchit &#8220;comic relief,&#8221; the evil Jew slave trader businessman&#8230; Why is it the first 3 movies lacked all that shit?</p>
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