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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason D didn&#039;t insult anyone.</description>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gentlemen,

NO MORE PERSONAL INSULTS!!

They will be deleted.</description>
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<p>NO MORE PERSONAL INSULTS!!</p>
<p>They will be deleted.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&quot;I give credit to Obama for backing away from this right away, but the twisted freaks that support him are beneath contempt and NOT what I want to see in office.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

That&#039;s some hefty logic there.  Obama can&#039;t be elected not because he isn&#039;t qualified, not because he has poor plans or stands incorrectly on issues you support, no he must not be elected because SOME (note that word, you should use it more often) of the people who support him are saying awful things.

Excuse me, if obama can be condemned by Daily Kos, then John, McCain is in even more trouble due to the Freepers.  There is NOTHING but venom at that site.  They don&#039;t even &lt;i&gt;pretend&lt;/i&gt; to be fair and balanced.

&lt;b&gt;&quot;As far as I’m concerned the civil war amongst the cons in the GOP is on hold while we keep you slimey bastards out of office.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

Gross generalizations help no one.  

And by your own admission, Obama (who IS running for office) is not the one making these slimey comments.  It is SOME of his supporters (who are not running for office).

Holding Obama liable for the actions of his supporters is JUST as stupid as holding Sarah Palin responsible for the actions of her daughter.
What exactly is Obama supposed to do, lock them up, ground them, send them to bed without dinner?  What possible control does he have over these people?

I know you don&#039;t like Obama, we&#039;ve agreed to disagree on that.  But I&#039;m a liberal and an Obama supporter.  You don&#039;t know me, I am not a twisted freak, or a slimey bastard.  You can check my blog, linked above, I&#039;ve said nothing about Palin or her daughter.  Hell I&#039;ve barely mentioned the election until recently.

If you don&#039;t like being painted with a broad brush, don&#039;t do it to other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;I give credit to Obama for backing away from this right away, but the twisted freaks that support him are beneath contempt and NOT what I want to see in office.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>That&#8217;s some hefty logic there.  Obama can&#8217;t be elected not because he isn&#8217;t qualified, not because he has poor plans or stands incorrectly on issues you support, no he must not be elected because SOME (note that word, you should use it more often) of the people who support him are saying awful things.</p>
<p>Excuse me, if obama can be condemned by Daily Kos, then John, McCain is in even more trouble due to the Freepers.  There is NOTHING but venom at that site.  They don&#8217;t even <i>pretend</i> to be fair and balanced.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;As far as I’m concerned the civil war amongst the cons in the GOP is on hold while we keep you slimey bastards out of office.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Gross generalizations help no one.  </p>
<p>And by your own admission, Obama (who IS running for office) is not the one making these slimey comments.  It is SOME of his supporters (who are not running for office).</p>
<p>Holding Obama liable for the actions of his supporters is JUST as stupid as holding Sarah Palin responsible for the actions of her daughter.<br />
What exactly is Obama supposed to do, lock them up, ground them, send them to bed without dinner?  What possible control does he have over these people?</p>
<p>I know you don&#8217;t like Obama, we&#8217;ve agreed to disagree on that.  But I&#8217;m a liberal and an Obama supporter.  You don&#8217;t know me, I am not a twisted freak, or a slimey bastard.  You can check my blog, linked above, I&#8217;ve said nothing about Palin or her daughter.  Hell I&#8217;ve barely mentioned the election until recently.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like being painted with a broad brush, don&#8217;t do it to other people.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Johno, this erupted because of sleazebags on the Left from places like Daily Kos with their gross accusations that Trig Palin was Bristol&#039;s and their Mom lied to protect her daughter.  This whole mess was repugnant and trying to make moral equivalencies when none exist on this score is pathetic.  The pregnancy of Bristol isn&#039;t even an issue, all of us know someone this has happened to and if the Right had said anything, it would have been kudos for keeping the baby.  I give credit to Obama for backing away from this right away, but the twisted freaks that support him are beneath contempt and NOT what I want to see in office.  It wasn&#039;t even just Daily Kos as you damned well know.  No, it&#039;s all over the lefty blogs and media outlets, including one liberal blog I used to respect like Citizen Crain.  

As far as I&#039;m concerned the civil war amongst the cons in the GOP is on hold while we keep you slimey bastards out of office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Johno, this erupted because of sleazebags on the Left from places like Daily Kos with their gross accusations that Trig Palin was Bristol&#8217;s and their Mom lied to protect her daughter.  This whole mess was repugnant and trying to make moral equivalencies when none exist on this score is pathetic.  The pregnancy of Bristol isn&#8217;t even an issue, all of us know someone this has happened to and if the Right had said anything, it would have been kudos for keeping the baby.  I give credit to Obama for backing away from this right away, but the twisted freaks that support him are beneath contempt and NOT what I want to see in office.  It wasn&#8217;t even just Daily Kos as you damned well know.  No, it&#8217;s all over the lefty blogs and media outlets, including one liberal blog I used to respect like Citizen Crain.  </p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned the civil war amongst the cons in the GOP is on hold while we keep you slimey bastards out of office.</p>
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		<title>By: Johno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please, John, generalize much? What would have been the right-wing reaction if this were Obama or Biden&#039;s grandchild? A dozen times louder and more hateful, as usual. I like the thought in another thread, politics makes hypocrites of us all. And as far as I am aware, it is the right wing NYPost and Fox news who have already got shots of the baby&#039;s father for mass circulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please, John, generalize much? What would have been the right-wing reaction if this were Obama or Biden&#8217;s grandchild? A dozen times louder and more hateful, as usual. I like the thought in another thread, politics makes hypocrites of us all. And as far as I am aware, it is the right wing NYPost and Fox news who have already got shots of the baby&#8217;s father for mass circulation.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 02:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason:  I was going to respond to each of your points individually, until I saw the completely despicable crap coming from liberals about Palin&#039;s daughter and infant.  That&#039;s about the most vile thing I can think of that would get you shot even today in many of those fly-over states the Libs don&#039;t give a crap about.  I&#039;m not feeling very friendly at all towards folks on your side at the moment, so let&#039;s leave this at we disagree.  See you at the polls in November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason:  I was going to respond to each of your points individually, until I saw the completely despicable crap coming from liberals about Palin&#8217;s daughter and infant.  That&#8217;s about the most vile thing I can think of that would get you shot even today in many of those fly-over states the Libs don&#8217;t give a crap about.  I&#8217;m not feeling very friendly at all towards folks on your side at the moment, so let&#8217;s leave this at we disagree.  See you at the polls in November.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swampfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Samantha, that is fair enough.  We all need to examine her statements and what she has done.  I will have to admit that I just can&#039;t get beyond Obama belonging to the church which he was a member for so long.  If it was anyone but Obama, being a member of such a church would have been enough to end his/her candidacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samantha, that is fair enough.  We all need to examine her statements and what she has done.  I will have to admit that I just can&#8217;t get beyond Obama belonging to the church which he was a member for so long.  If it was anyone but Obama, being a member of such a church would have been enough to end his/her candidacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samantha Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles,

In the mean time I&#039;ll check out her background from Alaska and make my judgment from that.</description>
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<p>In the mean time I&#8217;ll check out her background from Alaska and make my judgment from that.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin is an interesting choice.  By tapping Palin she is now on the national stage.  She is a fresh face.  A Washington outsider.  I am willing to listen before I pass my judgment on her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin is an interesting choice.  By tapping Palin she is now on the national stage.  She is a fresh face.  A Washington outsider.  I am willing to listen before I pass my judgment on her.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, you missed my post earlier.  

(1)Obama does have executive experience, in fact, more than Palin does.  It just wasn&#039;t executive experience as a lawmaker or at a for-profit institution. He was president of the Law Review at Harvard, and was a director, or on the board of directors of many organizations for years before becoming a state senator. It&#039;s dishonest to say he&#039;s never had any executive experience.  The amount of executive experience isn&#039;t the only thing that counts any way, after all, Bush had plenty of executive experience --- unfortunately he ran virtually every company into the ground and had to be bailed out.  Perhaps Obama&#039;s experience is not the type you value, but it&#039;s not the same as zero experience.
  
&lt;i&gt;Even better, Palin visited wounded troops in Germany this past summer while Obama was just too damn busy. How do you think that’s gonna play with your Bubba Joe voter? Not very well.&lt;/i&gt;

2) You&#039;re ignoring the fact that Obama visited troops in afghanistan and iraq --- and just as Palin was visiting in her capacity as governor, Obama was visiting in his capacity as a senator.  The germany visit was part of his campaign travels, funded by him, not by the taxpayers and thus, is subject to completely different set of rules. If he had visited the troops in Germany, I&#039;m sure someone would be saying that he used his senate credentials during his campaign tour to visit troops --implying something unethical on Obama&#039;s part.  Get off the troops thing, Palin and Obama have both visited troops, they&#039;re equal on that part.

&lt;i&gt;Oh and as for national security experience, neither Obama or Biden served in the military themselves, like McCain did.&lt;/i&gt;  

(3)McCain served in the military.  He spent a whopping 20 hours in combat the whole war, graduated almost last in his class (790 out of 795) at the naval academy, and never lead a combat or peace time unit.  But you seem to be implying that being in the military somehow would make someone better at running it.  Perhaps, or perhaps not.

We get it, you don&#039;t like Obama, you&#039;re not voting for him.  It&#039;s a free country, do as you please.  However, don&#039;t present incomplete details unless you want to be called on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, you missed my post earlier.  </p>
<p>(1)Obama does have executive experience, in fact, more than Palin does.  It just wasn&#8217;t executive experience as a lawmaker or at a for-profit institution. He was president of the Law Review at Harvard, and was a director, or on the board of directors of many organizations for years before becoming a state senator. It&#8217;s dishonest to say he&#8217;s never had any executive experience.  The amount of executive experience isn&#8217;t the only thing that counts any way, after all, Bush had plenty of executive experience &#8212; unfortunately he ran virtually every company into the ground and had to be bailed out.  Perhaps Obama&#8217;s experience is not the type you value, but it&#8217;s not the same as zero experience.</p>
<p><i>Even better, Palin visited wounded troops in Germany this past summer while Obama was just too damn busy. How do you think that’s gonna play with your Bubba Joe voter? Not very well.</i></p>
<p>2) You&#8217;re ignoring the fact that Obama visited troops in afghanistan and iraq &#8212; and just as Palin was visiting in her capacity as governor, Obama was visiting in his capacity as a senator.  The germany visit was part of his campaign travels, funded by him, not by the taxpayers and thus, is subject to completely different set of rules. If he had visited the troops in Germany, I&#8217;m sure someone would be saying that he used his senate credentials during his campaign tour to visit troops &#8211;implying something unethical on Obama&#8217;s part.  Get off the troops thing, Palin and Obama have both visited troops, they&#8217;re equal on that part.</p>
<p><i>Oh and as for national security experience, neither Obama or Biden served in the military themselves, like McCain did.</i>  </p>
<p>(3)McCain served in the military.  He spent a whopping 20 hours in combat the whole war, graduated almost last in his class (790 out of 795) at the naval academy, and never lead a combat or peace time unit.  But you seem to be implying that being in the military somehow would make someone better at running it.  Perhaps, or perhaps not.</p>
<p>We get it, you don&#8217;t like Obama, you&#8217;re not voting for him.  It&#8217;s a free country, do as you please.  However, don&#8217;t present incomplete details unless you want to be called on them.</p>
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