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		<title>By: Michigan-Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/09/03/2837/comment-page-1#comment-16546</link>
		<dc:creator>Michigan-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Tim, my bad.

How&#039;s this: the LCRs endorsed McCain because they, too, sense a seachange moment occuring within the GOP by McCain-the-Maverick gaining the Party&#039;s nomination.  That nomination, the LCRs know, came about because McCain has a legendary reputation AND RECORD of being anti-establishment, anti-Party, unapologetically bipartisan to the concern of most farRight whackjobs and, most importantly, the LCR Bd endorsed McCain (and were greeted by the presence of two of his senior campaign advisors) because the LCR leadership knows McCain is a seachange candidate within the Party and may lead to more moderate, progressive GOP.

Just like Reagan brought a ton of farRight and mostly religious delegates into the Party, McCain is bringing in progressive and moderate leadership to the Party... and that is good for gay civil rights.

Frankly, if a member of the LCR Board was writing here he/she would tell you that if the gayLeft in America really, really, really wants to cripple one of their most vocal, activist opponents in the culture war... the religious right... gays evertwhere ought to be following the lead of gay GOPers and helping to elect McCain-the-Maverick.

LCRs endorsed him because they know, better than most, that McCain&#039;s record is worth far more to gay civil rights advancing than all the emptysuited whispered promised from his opponents&#039; side of the aisle.

At least that&#039;s what I got out of the LCR endorsement... not the potential for access, the potential for CHANGE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Tim, my bad.</p>
<p>How&#8217;s this: the LCRs endorsed McCain because they, too, sense a seachange moment occuring within the GOP by McCain-the-Maverick gaining the Party&#8217;s nomination.  That nomination, the LCRs know, came about because McCain has a legendary reputation AND RECORD of being anti-establishment, anti-Party, unapologetically bipartisan to the concern of most farRight whackjobs and, most importantly, the LCR Bd endorsed McCain (and were greeted by the presence of two of his senior campaign advisors) because the LCR leadership knows McCain is a seachange candidate within the Party and may lead to more moderate, progressive GOP.</p>
<p>Just like Reagan brought a ton of farRight and mostly religious delegates into the Party, McCain is bringing in progressive and moderate leadership to the Party&#8230; and that is good for gay civil rights.</p>
<p>Frankly, if a member of the LCR Board was writing here he/she would tell you that if the gayLeft in America really, really, really wants to cripple one of their most vocal, activist opponents in the culture war&#8230; the religious right&#8230; gays evertwhere ought to be following the lead of gay GOPers and helping to elect McCain-the-Maverick.</p>
<p>LCRs endorsed him because they know, better than most, that McCain&#8217;s record is worth far more to gay civil rights advancing than all the emptysuited whispered promised from his opponents&#8217; side of the aisle.</p>
<p>At least that&#8217;s what I got out of the LCR endorsement&#8230; not the potential for access, the potential for CHANGE.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/09/03/2837/comment-page-1#comment-16532</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, let&#039;s please keep comments relevant to the topic of the thread, i.e. the McCain campaign&#039;s acceptance of the Log Cabin endorsement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, let&#8217;s please keep comments relevant to the topic of the thread, i.e. the McCain campaign&#8217;s acceptance of the Log Cabin endorsement.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/09/03/2837/comment-page-1#comment-16531</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if McCain is much better, Matt. Maybe vote for the Green or Libertarian parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if McCain is much better, Matt. Maybe vote for the Green or Libertarian parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Michigan-Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/09/03/2837/comment-page-1#comment-16530</link>
		<dc:creator>Michigan-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tristam offers: &quot;The Palin/McCain ticket will bring the Christianists out in droves, contribute directly and purposefully to the passage of the three anti-SSM propositions, and provide the theocons with a claimed mandate to erase the ‘gay agenda.’&quot;

Ummm, paging reality for tristam.  In California, Prop 8 passage may actually be helped by Barack Obama bringing droves of newly registered black Christians and anti-gay bigots to the polls.

Maybe you should rethink who you&#039;re willing to jump in the sack with in order to advance an agenda that is, at best, gay neutral and at worst, hurtful to the advance of gay civil rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tristam offers: &#8220;The Palin/McCain ticket will bring the Christianists out in droves, contribute directly and purposefully to the passage of the three anti-SSM propositions, and provide the theocons with a claimed mandate to erase the ‘gay agenda.’&#8221;</p>
<p>Ummm, paging reality for tristam.  In California, Prop 8 passage may actually be helped by Barack Obama bringing droves of newly registered black Christians and anti-gay bigots to the polls.</p>
<p>Maybe you should rethink who you&#8217;re willing to jump in the sack with in order to advance an agenda that is, at best, gay neutral and at worst, hurtful to the advance of gay civil rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking out loud here, so be kind.

If McCain thought it should be ok to fire blacks or deny them housing simply because of their skin colour;

If McCain thought blacks should not serve in the same military units as whites, to preserve whites from having to interact with blacks;

If McCain thought blacks should not be allowed to marry, or have federal or state recognized unions;

If McCain thought spouses of blacks should not be able to draw upon Social Security or Veterans benefits of their spouse;

If McCain thought that while killing a Christian because they are a Christian is considered a hate crime, but that killing a black because they are black should not be considered by law to be a hate crime;

If McCain thought that states should pass Constitutional Amendments to forever ban blacks from marrying;

If McCain thought that blacks should not be allowed to adopt

do you really think any organization of African Americans would support him? Or if they did, what would you think of them?

Just thinking out loud - honestly. I think internalized homophobia might be stronger than I first realized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking out loud here, so be kind.</p>
<p>If McCain thought it should be ok to fire blacks or deny them housing simply because of their skin colour;</p>
<p>If McCain thought blacks should not serve in the same military units as whites, to preserve whites from having to interact with blacks;</p>
<p>If McCain thought blacks should not be allowed to marry, or have federal or state recognized unions;</p>
<p>If McCain thought spouses of blacks should not be able to draw upon Social Security or Veterans benefits of their spouse;</p>
<p>If McCain thought that while killing a Christian because they are a Christian is considered a hate crime, but that killing a black because they are black should not be considered by law to be a hate crime;</p>
<p>If McCain thought that states should pass Constitutional Amendments to forever ban blacks from marrying;</p>
<p>If McCain thought that blacks should not be allowed to adopt</p>
<p>do you really think any organization of African Americans would support him? Or if they did, what would you think of them?</p>
<p>Just thinking out loud &#8211; honestly. I think internalized homophobia might be stronger than I first realized.</p>
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		<title>By: johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 13:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former Republican, I&#039;m all for seeing the party become more moderate and inclusive, but I have the distinct feeling they won&#039;t hesitate to use the hatred of many towards us and our families for their own political gain.  It is, after all, what has worked for them time and time again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former Republican, I&#8217;m all for seeing the party become more moderate and inclusive, but I have the distinct feeling they won&#8217;t hesitate to use the hatred of many towards us and our families for their own political gain.  It is, after all, what has worked for them time and time again.</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people (like me) on the left side of the gay community should think about cutting the LCR&#039;s a little more slack and being slower to criticize them.  After all, if McCain gets elected (cringe), the LCR&#039;s are the only part of the gay community he&#039;s likely to listen to.  And I can&#039;t think of a more thankless, dirty job than kissing up to republicans.  Somebody DOESN&#039;T have to do it, but the LCR&#039;s choose to do it for the good of the community, and I think that&#039;s worth giving them a break and even maybe some encouragement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people (like me) on the left side of the gay community should think about cutting the LCR&#8217;s a little more slack and being slower to criticize them.  After all, if McCain gets elected (cringe), the LCR&#8217;s are the only part of the gay community he&#8217;s likely to listen to.  And I can&#8217;t think of a more thankless, dirty job than kissing up to republicans.  Somebody DOESN&#8217;T have to do it, but the LCR&#8217;s choose to do it for the good of the community, and I think that&#8217;s worth giving them a break and even maybe some encouragement.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Timothy.  This is a good sign of ever-increasing acceptance of gay people in our culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Timothy.  This is a good sign of ever-increasing acceptance of gay people in our culture.</p>
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		<title>By: tristram</title>
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		<dc:creator>tristram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;m John McCain. Join me in supporting Proposition _______.&quot; (fill in the blank as appropriate for FL, AZ, CA).

The Palin/McCain ticket will bring the Christianists out in droves, contribute directly and purposefully to the passage of the three anti-SSM propositions, and provide the theocons with a claimed mandate to erase the &#039;gay agenda.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m John McCain. Join me in supporting Proposition _______.&#8221; (fill in the blank as appropriate for FL, AZ, CA).</p>
<p>The Palin/McCain ticket will bring the Christianists out in droves, contribute directly and purposefully to the passage of the three anti-SSM propositions, and provide the theocons with a claimed mandate to erase the &#8216;gay agenda.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, either I&#039;m confused or the writer for Reuters is. 

Just how does it boost McCain&#039;s reputation &quot;as a maverick who reaches across partisan lines&quot; to accept an endorsement from the Log Cabin &lt;i&gt;Republicans?&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, either I&#8217;m confused or the writer for Reuters is. </p>
<p>Just how does it boost McCain&#8217;s reputation &#8220;as a maverick who reaches across partisan lines&#8221; to accept an endorsement from the Log Cabin <i>Republicans?</i></p>
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