Comments on: Mormons and Arizona’s Prop 102

By: how to end a relatiosnhip

how to end a relatiosnhip — Fri, 04 May 2012 09:38:15 +0000

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By: AZ KID

AZ KID — Mon, 03 May 2010 08:28:55 +0000

I thought it was illegal for Churches to do this? I am not Mormon. My Church frowns about direct involvement. Clergy will be disciplined if they voice opinion on local political matters. Someone answer this question please.

By: Louie

Louie — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:37:16 +0000

SM, the majority of voters in AZ passed 102. The majority of FUNDING for "yes on 102" came from Mormons. That is a fact. Invalidate Prop. 8! Prop 8 Call to action: Ask IRS to revoke Mormon's 501(c)3

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:57:20 +0000

SM,

Perhaps you are not following closely, but this thread is about Proposition 102 which was in Arizona.

By: SM

SM — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:53:41 +0000

You seem to forget that this initiative was passed by the VOTERS of CA, the vast majority of whom are NOT Mormons. Blaming (or crediting) the LDS for the passage of this is short-sighted, and misguided, and frankly – hateful. Where’s the display of the ‘glorious’ CA tolerance?

By: Scout

Scout — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:49:50 +0000

What I find amusing/amazing is that we can already “get married” in church. There are many who will have us: Unitarian, Unity, UCC, to name a few. The fact that the state does not then recognize these holy unions is ironic, considering that is the basis for an amendment in the first place… that of mixing church and state.

Know what? I think all “marriage” should be civil union, basically a contract between two consenting adults. And THEN if the couple chooses to sanctify their union in a religious way they are free to take their request to any church who wants to marry them.

This isn’t, and has never been about gays wanting to force Mormon ministers or Catholic priests or any other unwilling cleric to marry them, and anyone who claims that is mendacious or willfully ignorant or both.

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Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:39:53 +0000

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By: Kevin

Kevin — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:10:17 +0000

James,

Thank you, thank you, thank you! for the very sincere and heartful message.

My partner’s cousin is gay and grew up in a very Mormon environment in Oregon. Unfortunately, he never could reconcile being Mormon and being gay so he left the Church. It’s a very sore spot for him to this day.

It’s unfortunate that the Mormon church spends its time hurting their own congregation, and doubly unfortunate that they seek to do it to non-Mormons.

However, from what little I know of the Mormon faith, there has been a split in the church over issues of sexuality and marriage before. At one point, the non-polygamist wing of the Mormon church (which has come to predominate) was considered the “liberal” wing, while the fundamentalists broke off and continue to practice Mormonism they way they consider “traditional”.

Frankly, I don’t see what’s so wrong with the liberal Mormon congregation to splitting from the anti-gay wing and forming their own denomination, as it has done in the past.

I mean, isn’t it better to seek inclusion and acceptance of gay Mormons rather than have them leave the Church?

Yeah, I know: rhetorical question.

By: James

James — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:00:16 +0000

Staying up late with insomnia somehow brought me to this website. I guess I take a unique position on this issue, considering that I am both gay and LDS, an active one at that lol. I can say first and foremost that “choosing” to be gay is the biggest lie I’ve ever heard, and anyone who says so clearly has not had a deep conversation with a homosexual. I have yet to meet a gay who has chosen to be gay. It was never just a “fleeting temptation.” I can tell you that it is extremely confusing growing up knowing that the feelings you have are not part of the “norm” of what’s expected of you. I recently came out to my family and while there was some initial tension, I was surprised by their eventual change of heart. Why am I gay? Really I can’t answer that. All I know is what I feel. Until I went on a mission (haha yes I went) I was very much the judgemental prick. I snubbed those who believed differently than I did and who lived alternative lifestyles. Being a missionary opened my eyes to a completely different world. Usually I find the opposite occurs, where one becomes more religiously zealous when they come home. I learned that so much good comes from so many different and unexpected places. I became close friends with a catholic priest, a buddhist lama, a gay man dying of AIDS, a transexual couple, and even a stripper lol. I learned so much from everyone I met, and learned how wrong it was of me to ever judge, scoff, or discriminate anybody. At the same time I experienced discrimination first hand as well. I grew up in a predominately LDS community and served my mission where there were not many. I was refused service at restaurants, yelled and cursed at from passing cars, had guns pulled on me, and was side swiped by a car, forcing my bike off a ledge and ending up breaking my ankle. Now, go figure, I’m discriminated against for being gay. Hate unfortunately is everywhere, and it’s aimed at all different kinds of groups. Now that you have some sort of an idea of where I’m coming from, I can address the proposition at hand. Politically I would not consider myself very involved. Working two jobs and school full-time takes up my life. But when I talk to my friends, who are gay, and see how they struggle constantly when faced by endless attempts by the zealous religious right to limit their freedoms, while at the same time I’m sitting in church on Sunday hearing how I should be voting “yes” on proposition 102, I’m forced to think politically. I am thankful for my upbringing and for the values and teachings of the LDS church. I like going to church and I like being around my LDS friends as well. Many would not agree with that and that’s fine by me, just as many would not agree with being gay, and that’s fine by me. I’m faced with a very strange dichotomy. Regardless, I have prayed and I’ve pondered over the issue, and I believe that it is wrong to place limitations on a group of people because of their sexual orientation. Why can’t I have the same freedoms as everyone else? Plus, I’ve taken into consideration the shady way in which the proposition was even put on the ballot. I do not believe that if the proposition does not pass that it will demean or attack the sanctity of marriage. At the same time, I do not expect all religious groups to share my views. When I find a man that I want to spend the rest of my life with, I’m not going to prance over to the nearest LDS temple and demand a marriage. I respect my religion’s beliefs and would in no way wish to force them to do something that goes against their doctrine. I just wish people will stop pointing fingers at each other and to really delve into what this proposition means. Essentially, it is a blatant attack against the LGBT community, fueling anti-gay sentiments. In my life I have found myself on both sides of the spectrum. I am a much happier person when I accept the people around me for who they are, regardless of their beliefs, race, ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation. I love my gay friends just as much as I do my LDS friends, even when their beliefs and lifestyles differ so drastically. Myself? I’m somewhere in the middle. But on this particular issue I encourage people to vote No on Proposition 102. Please do not continue to fuel hate.

Cheers,

James

By: Emily K

Emily K — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:41:34 +0000

Actually Eddie, the more likely reason is because men were actually having sex with more than one woman at once. Polygamy, remember? And since having sex with more than one woman at a time put all sorts of grey areas into two women being sexually involved, it was just less complicated not to say anything about it.

Plus, men are SO uptight about two guys having sex. I mean, WTF?? get over it already.