Comments on: The Mormon Church’s Official Prop 8 Website

By: Julie L. Tag

Julie L. Tag — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:04:47 +0000

Meet and hear the translator of The Sealed Portion at a symposium…

Dec 6th Saturday

SLC Library 400 S. & State St.

9am-5pm

4th floor

By: Dave Pruett

Dave Pruett — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:20:06 +0000

I’m not sure if some of you simply missed it or your extremely seeing impaired, but the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has their name all over the bottom of the http://www.preservingmarriage.org/videos.html page. You claim you have your rights well so does the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and all of it’s members. We all have our differing opinions and stances. You do not have to agree with mine and I do not have to agree with your’s. If you want to take the side of an issue or proposition or anything else in this great country you go right ahead and do it. That’s what our country was founded on. The pursuit of happiness is a good one. How about freedom of speech. There are alot of great freedoms that we have in this God blessed country. Why don’t we all just try to get along and let each other live our lives the way we want. We will all answer to the same authority someday. I myself am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I do not jam that down anyone’s throat. If I disagree with gay marriage and don’t beleive in it in any way, this country affords me the rights to do so. You have those same rights and many others as well. I’m not going to go into my religious beliefs or impose my political views on you. I’m not even going to go into my own personal views and opinions as to why I am against gay marriages. But I will say this, we’re all here on this earth at this time. Many of us need others (gay or not) at different times in our lives. I can only hope that we put aside our personal opinions and views and lifestyles and simply show more love and compassion to each other, irregardless of the current or future laws of the lands. Please be happy with yourself. That’s my goal. Life is hard but it’s also beautiful. With all my heart I wish all of you the very best life has to offer. With all that I am I sincerely mean it. God Bless You.

By: Julie L. Tag

Julie L. Tag — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:41:41 +0000

PS. I’m sure you’ll also quickly recognize and understand why it had to come through someone other than the uninspired leadership of the LDS church (one earring in each ear? Oh puhleeze)…the same way Abinadi and Samuel the Lamanite were called, though Alma and Nephi were the current presidents of the church, those men were chosen to call the church to repentance.

Be set free at last of prejudice, hatred, discimination, judgment, misery, unhappiness, etc., etc.

Partake of the sweet and delectable fruit of truth.

By: Julie L. Tag

Julie L. Tag — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:22:38 +0000

When the Mormons learn that The Sealed Portion of the B of M (spoken of in Ether 4, 2Nephi27 & Isa 29)has been translated (free to read at http://www.thesealedportion.com) and discover that J. Christ had two gay apostles…aren’t they going to feel foolish!!!

By: Still Married

Still Married — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:57:48 +0000

Gay man here! Still happily married. Not sure what the Natzi Mormons succeeded in?

So I have a piece of paper from the vital records office that says certificate of marriage, and it is just like my birth certificate. I did not go to any church to get it. My marriage has nothing to do with the church or Mormons. Oh and even though prop 8 passed I am still legal. So take that and choke on it Mormons!

Why did people fight so hard to take this away? Because they have hate in their hearts and they believe a book that has nothing to do with me. And they think this legitimizes gays and they hate that.

Prop 8 will be overturned anyway and eventually the straight couples may lose big on this one. Eventually the US Supreme court is going to take the words marriage off all the documents in the US if this keeps up. It is just a matter of time. Equal rights always wins as history shows us.

By: Stefano A

Stefano A — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:35:09 +0000

PSS

With regard to marriage, when you obtain a marriage license that is to have the legal CIVIL recognition of your marriage. That CIVIL license is in no way a sacramental or religiously sacred document. It has no more religious meaning that drivers’ license.

By: Stefano A

Stefano A — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:29:56 +0000

PS. I also put “convert” and “baptize” in quotations in my original post so as it indicate a common reference of vernacular symantics with regard to general concepts rather than any specific meaning of the two words. For the wide majority of people, if you are of one faith and are then baptized in the name of another faith, that is a faith “conversion”.

To do that without the specific request of any individual, I find not only to be disrespectful of that individuals chosen faith, an affront to that person’s liberties to chose a faith, but also the height of conceit on the part of Mormons to make that decision and take it upon themselves to do so.

By: Stefano A

Stefano A — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:22:59 +0000

BTW: I’ve not made any comments about your “bible” or any other specifics about your faith beliefs. The only thing I said was that I lost “respect” for Mormons over the Baptism thing and took affront to your self-righous arrogance in discounting our relationships. I said nothing about not respecting your relationships, nor have I said anything about not tolerating your freedoms to practice your faith or doing anything to force the Mormon church or any other church to recognize same sex unions or relationships.

By: Stefano A

Stefano A — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:19:15 +0000

first off. stefano, mormons goals are not to convert people. lets have that known to everyone. and second, threaten is a harsh word to use…

Where did I ever say anything about Mormon’s “threatening”.

And you cannot deny that Mormon’s DID INDEED baptize non-mormon’s after their deaths and then list them as Mormon. There was a tremendous amount of animosity created on the part of Mormons and Jews, for instance, (which has since been somewhat resolved), because the Mormons were using Holocaust death lists as one source of obtaining information in order to do so.

As to your other points, I don’t care what your religious views are about homosexuality. Those do not concern me, are not the principles upon which I guide my own life, and I have no objection to you using your religious beliefs as a guide for your own personal life or for that of your faith group. However, whether or not a Mormon or anyone else for biblical reasons believes homosexuality to be “sinful” is irrelevant to Proposition 8.

Allowing same-sex marriage has nothing to do with altering internal religious theology or dogma with regard to what forms of marriage a religious group will recognize or concent to marriage. We’re talking about CIVIL government recognition of marriage. The government bestows NO sacramental meaning upon marriage whatsover.

By: john

john — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:57:04 +0000

second, the church members havent been writing the things your talking about benjamin. “pervert”, “abominable”, “sinful”, “evil” etc.) those things come straight from the bible that, if you truely are a member, believe in. so talking negatively upon the church members who quote what the lord says is slandering the lords words. and daniel jenkins. it would be nice if you showed respect toward people. you are so for respecting the homosexual people, as are the lds saints, but then you use such disrespectful words and phrases towards the mormons. and just for informative purposes to you all, marriage has its origin in the garden of eden with adam and eve, under the authority of the lord. i dont know about you guys but god, who is omniscient, probably knows what he is tlaking about when he adresses these issues in the bible.

lastly, for stefano, reguarding “our bible”, the sole purpose for our use of the king james version of the same bible which is studied in any christian religion, is because it was proven by historians to be the least translated bible in this day.

and i in no way mean to offend anyone. i do not look down on homosexual persons at all. they are normal members of society and are no different than you and me. but because they are challenging the teachings of the bible with gay marriage i will vote yes on proposition 8