Comments on: No Longer Silent: Arizona Clergy Against Prop 102 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/17/3882 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Wed, 22 May 2013 07:39:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Michael Lunday http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/17/3882/comment-page-1#comment-21509 Michael Lunday Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:42:08 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=3882#comment-21509 Voting No on 102 Thank you so much for doing this video. I wish there had been more public viewing opportunities other than the internet but I also know in my heart that Love is practiced and has to come from the heart not $6 million dollars of out of state money from the far right so called Christian Coalition. The last time I looked Christians are suppose to love thy neighbor. There will be a judgement day and we will all be judged by only one person and it will not be by the far right. Tomorrow will be history in the making by electing Obama and I too hope in the near future that we will all be able to have the same rights and not discriminate against one another. Voting No on 102

Thank you so much for doing this video. I wish there had been more public viewing opportunities other than the internet but I also know in my heart that Love is practiced and has to come from the heart not $6 million dollars of out of state money from the far right so called Christian Coalition. The last time I looked Christians are suppose to love thy neighbor. There will be a judgement day and we will all be judged by only one person and it will not be by the far right. Tomorrow will be history in the making by electing Obama and I too hope in the near future that we will all be able to have the same rights and not discriminate against one another.

]]> By: Ken R http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/17/3882/comment-page-1#comment-21269 Ken R Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:22:55 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=3882#comment-21269 "I'm voting Yes!" - yes, it is hate and intolerance no matter how you look at it. Majority of proponents of Prop 102 demand that their religious views concerning traditional marriage be the law of the land. What's next? What other laws are you willing to pass in the name of your biblical worldview to stifle those that do not believe as you do? Why haven't conservative Christians tried to pass laws against no fault divorce? Jesus spoke out against it except in cases of adultery by either party. Is it because support within your own congregations are rather lacking? This only shows the sad truth about the hypocrisy within these churches. I used to be amazed by Christians like you that would clamor that gay people bow to the will of professing biblical Christians because they think they have it completely right and that God was only on their side. Time and reading just shows how wrong they are. There is no such thing as love the sinner hate the sin. In truth when confronted they admit they really do think lesser of gay people and then drag out Scripture to hammer away at us to prove it. Scripture is not the be all and end all of God. He is still speaking to us. Many Christians like yourself just don't hear him or refuse to budge from the "biblical truth" you have been taught. If it isn't in Scripture it must be rejected! He is in fact STILL revealing himself to the world. Yes, it is discrimination I'm voting Yes! No one has a right to take another person's rights away. That is not Christ-like at all. “I’m voting Yes!” – yes, it is hate and intolerance no matter how you look at it. Majority of proponents of Prop 102 demand that their religious views concerning traditional marriage be the law of the land. What’s next? What other laws are you willing to pass in the name of your biblical worldview to stifle those that do not believe as you do? Why haven’t conservative Christians tried to pass laws against no fault divorce? Jesus spoke out against it except in cases of adultery by either party. Is it because support within your own congregations are rather lacking? This only shows the sad truth about the hypocrisy within these churches. I used to be amazed by Christians like you that would clamor that gay people bow to the will of professing biblical Christians because they think they have it completely right and that God was only on their side. Time and reading just shows how wrong they are.

There is no such thing as love the sinner hate the sin. In truth when confronted they admit they really do think lesser of gay people and then drag out Scripture to hammer away at us to prove it. Scripture is not the be all and end all of God. He is still speaking to us. Many Christians like yourself just don’t hear him or refuse to budge from the “biblical truth” you have been taught. If it isn’t in Scripture it must be rejected! He is in fact STILL revealing himself to the world.

Yes, it is discrimination I’m voting Yes! No one has a right to take another person’s rights away. That is not Christ-like at all.

]]> By: L. Junius Brutus http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/17/3882/comment-page-1#comment-21238 L. Junius Brutus Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:19:28 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=3882#comment-21238 To "I'm Voting Yes!", It seems pretty clear to me that you only preach about love, but practice its exact opposite. Maybe talking about love tires you so much that practicing it would be too much of a bother. To “I’m Voting Yes!”,

It seems pretty clear to me that you only preach about love, but practice its exact opposite. Maybe talking about love tires you so much that practicing it would be too much of a bother.

]]> By: Christina http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/17/3882/comment-page-1#comment-21237 Christina Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:17:53 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=3882#comment-21237 Micah - I'm curious to know what you think about sterile or infertile men and women marrying. What about elderly men and women? They can't create life, right? Are you seriously saying that anyone who doesn't contribute to our skyrocketing over-population shouldn't be allowed to marry and that marriage is solely about procreation? Micah –

I’m curious to know what you think about sterile or infertile men and women marrying. What about elderly men and women? They can’t create life, right? Are you seriously saying that anyone who doesn’t contribute to our skyrocketing over-population shouldn’t be allowed to marry and that marriage is solely about procreation?

]]> By: I'm Voting Yes! http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/17/3882/comment-page-1#comment-21226 I'm Voting Yes! Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:57:22 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=3882#comment-21226 A vote "yes" does not mean a vote for hate. It is not about being less tolerant. My sister does many things that I do not agree with, based on my religious beliefs. I love her dearly, and instead of telling her it is OK, I can still tell her that what she is doing is a sin. I beleive one can truly love the sinner and hate the sin. We are talking about all of God's children here. I know he loves all of us, but He certainly does not condone the sins we commit. I beleive it is wrong to mask the face of sin in the word "tolerance." I am tolerant of my sister, but I do not condone her actions. For some reason, today, to tolerate means to agree with, which is not the correct meaning of the word. I get along fine with my sister, and we can talk about many meaningful things, but, there are instances when it is time to respectrfully disagree. I see no hate in that, nor do I see any intolerance. A vote “yes” does not mean a vote for hate. It is not about being less tolerant. My sister does many things that I do not agree with, based on my religious beliefs. I love her dearly, and instead of telling her it is OK, I can still tell her that what she is doing is a sin. I beleive one can truly love the sinner and hate the sin. We are talking about all of God’s children here. I know he loves all of us, but He certainly does not condone the sins we commit. I beleive it is wrong to mask the face of sin in the word “tolerance.” I am tolerant of my sister, but I do not condone her actions. For some reason, today, to tolerate means to agree with, which is not the correct meaning of the word. I get along fine with my sister, and we can talk about many meaningful things, but, there are instances when it is time to respectrfully disagree. I see no hate in that, nor do I see any intolerance.

]]> By: Pissed off Arizonan http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/17/3882/comment-page-1#comment-21092 Pissed off Arizonan Sun, 02 Nov 2008 04:48:12 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=3882#comment-21092 I really fear that PROP 102 is going to pass with all of its support. It really makes me sick that so many people want to continue this kind of old fashioned discrimination. I hope enough people will be able to think for themselves and vote NO on PROP 102. How can the same religious person who believes in 'love thy neighbor' and 'judge' not support such hate. Do people actually think that allowing gays to get married will ruin the purity of their own marriage? Is this really because homosexuals make so many people feel "icky"? How long is it going to take for people to finally really accept each other. I may not be gay, but I have friends and family who are, and I want their rights protected. Please vote NO on PROP 102! DO NOT let your religion make you hate your fellow man in the same way that has started wars since the beginning of time. I really fear that PROP 102 is going to pass with all of its support. It really makes me sick that so many people want to continue this kind of old fashioned discrimination. I hope enough people will be able to think for themselves and vote NO on PROP 102. How can the same religious person who believes in ‘love thy neighbor’ and ‘judge’ not support such hate. Do people actually think that allowing gays to get married will ruin the purity of their own marriage? Is this really because homosexuals make so many people feel “icky”? How long is it going to take for people to finally really accept each other. I may not be gay, but I have friends and family who are, and I want their rights protected. Please vote NO on PROP 102! DO NOT let your religion make you hate your fellow man in the same way that has started wars since the beginning of time.

]]> By: Kiefer http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/17/3882/comment-page-1#comment-20616 Kiefer Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:21:23 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=3882#comment-20616 What the? This video did nothing. I hope they didn't waste money on this. Or you know what? I hope they did, because it doesn't do anything to help the campaign. VOTE YES ON PROP 102! What the? This video did nothing. I hope they didn’t waste money on this. Or you know what? I hope they did, because it doesn’t do anything to help the campaign. VOTE YES ON PROP 102!

]]> By: Louie http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/17/3882/comment-page-1#comment-20555 Louie Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:17:32 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=3882#comment-20555 So, to truly "protect" marriage, shouldn't they place a ban on <b>DIVORCE</b> in the State's Constitution? Or maybe, that's their (extreme right wing Christians) next step! <b> <a href="http://noonprop8.com/home/" rel="nofollow">California - Vote "NO" on Prop. 8!</a> <a href="http://votenoprop102.com/" rel="nofollow">Arizona - Vote "NO" on Prop. 102! AGAIN!</a> <a href="http://www.sayno2.com/" rel="nofollow">Florida - Vote "NO" on Amendment 2!</a> <a href="http://www.ctvoteno.org/" rel="nofollow">Connecticut - Vote "NO" on Question 1!</a></b> So, to truly “protect” marriage, shouldn’t they place a ban on DIVORCE in the State’s Constitution?

Or maybe, that’s their (extreme right wing Christians) next step!


California – Vote “NO” on Prop. 8!
Arizona – Vote “NO” on Prop. 102! AGAIN!
Florida – Vote “NO” on Amendment 2!
Connecticut – Vote “NO” on Question 1!

]]> By: Mark Forister http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/17/3882/comment-page-1#comment-20517 Mark Forister Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:27:56 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=3882#comment-20517 Traditional marriages in the USA as depicted by Prop 102 end in divorce at the rate of 50% of 1st , 67% of 2nd, and 74% of 3rd marriages as sourced from the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology. Answer this, how can Prop 102 preserve traditional marriages by writing blatant discrimination into out state constitution, it can’t. Traditional marriages in the USA as depicted by Prop 102 end in divorce at the rate of 50% of 1st , 67% of 2nd, and 74% of 3rd marriages as sourced from the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology. Answer this, how can Prop 102 preserve traditional marriages by writing blatant discrimination into out state constitution, it can’t.

]]> By: Brad http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/17/3882/comment-page-1#comment-19522 Brad Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:04:31 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=3882#comment-19522 It's real simple. Some people's worldview is aligned with the book of Leviticus. Others are aligned with the book of Matthew. If you're a Leviticus person, vote YES. If you're a Matthew person, vote NO. There is no wrong way to vote, since not everyone believes in the beatitudes. It’s real simple. Some people’s worldview is aligned with the book of Leviticus. Others are aligned with the book of Matthew. If you’re a Leviticus person, vote YES. If you’re a Matthew person, vote NO. There is no wrong way to vote, since not everyone believes in the beatitudes.

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