Comments on: Mohler Sees the Bigger Picture

By: Ephilei

Ephilei — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:31:16 +0000

While I disagree with Dr Mohler’s heterosexism, I think he has a far wiser opinion than heterosexism at large and perhaps the only valid point against same sex marriage – the loss of simplicity. Many will suffer as the world becomes increasingly complex, not just in marriage but in every aspect, because they just want someone telling them how to live. I, however, believe that God loves complexity. If not, the world would not be created so diversely.

By: A case study in bad argumentation at The Gideonse Bible

A case study in bad argumentation at The Gideonse Bible — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:27:19 +0000

[...] a gay wedding, is a perfect example; the parents of two kids opted out, but the backers of Prop 8 are still angry. And lying.) And better: Even if gay couple cannot marry, their “committed [...]

By: Tavdy

Tavdy — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:24:24 +0000

Regan, do you mean the OLD normal where gays would be beaten unto a pulp, or lynched, or towed behind a truck by their genitals, or executed, or thrown in mental asylums or prison, or raped, or tortured, or…

Wait a moment, that’s what happens now.

By: Regan DuCasse

Regan DuCasse — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 08:25:40 +0000

I’d like to ask Mohler, what was the OLD normal?
And what good did it do anyone?

By: Joel

Joel — Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:58:04 +0000

Maybe he should add a parenthesis after “human happiness”. Something along th elines of… ‘human happinness(not so much for gays though)’.

“According to the paper, two families did just that. Two. Eighteen students participated in the field trip. This, you must understand, is the new normal.” Good News indeed.

By: Ben in Oakland

Ben in Oakland — Sat, 18 Oct 2008 05:08:12 +0000

mohler has made comments like this before. He at least recognizes that reality and his beliefs may not coincide– unlike so many of his ocmpatriots.

By: Tavdy

Tavdy — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:35:34 +0000

And though Mohler writes his piece to rally the troops, I think he knows that even if he wins the battle that is this proposition, he has lost the war. – Timothy Kinkaid

I posted the following on Pam’s House Blend however it seems equally appropriate here since it covers a lot of closely-related ground – especially the final paragraph, given latter section of Timothy Kincaid’s original blog entry.

” Unfortunately it makes perfect sense [for fundamentalists to bash LGBTs for playing around, then get all fired up about us having stable long-term relationships.] but only if you reject the idea that LGBT people are equal to cisgendered straights, and if you have the aim of killing that idea. If you prevent LGBT people from having access to marriage, and thereby deny us the kind of social and economic support that encourages stable long-term relationships, you can reduce our ability to form those relationships and so present us as being “incapable” of them.

The Religious Reich has invested a lot of time and money into the false image of the so-called “gay lifestyle” – a hogwash of drug addiction, sexual depravity, loneliness, depression, disease and death. Legalising gay marriage threatens that myth, and therefore their credibility – and the stronger they cling to the fantasy, the more their credibility is threatened by its destruction and the harder they will fight to protect discrimination – just like any cornered animal, it’s when they have nothing to lose that they’ll fight the hardest: just look at the adverts they have been running for proof of that.

And because it’s their public credibility that is at stake, the gay marriage issue is first and foremost a pride issue for them – yep, we’re talking the deadliest of the seven deadly sins here, and they’re in it up to their necks! They dread a future of no longer being the arbiters of social morality, the idea of being merely equals with everyone else, and the possibility of being publicly humbled by being proven wrong. After all, all fundamentalist religion – irrespective of the particular creed – is always based on the premise that “we’re right and everyone else is wrong”.

They’ve built their house upon the sand and now the sea is washing away the foundations. If California votes no on prop 8, the house itself will begin to crumble.”

By: Pomo

Pomo — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:01:20 +0000

Excellent post Timothy!

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:49:59 +0000

Scott,

You make a good point. I may have been underestimating Mohler’s hopefulness.

I weakened the statement “And I think that Mohler may recognize that Southern Baptists run the risk that it may be too late.” to read “And I find within Mohler’s writing a suggestion that he may on some level recognize that Southern Baptists run the risk that it may be too late.”

By: Scott

Scott — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:19:50 +0000

I find it fascinating that Mohler is seeing that his side is losing the war. His prior writings still show considerable opposition.

See the link below.

http://www.albertmohler.com/documents/HomosexualityBible.pdf