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		<title>By: Mombian &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Political Roundup: Halloween Edition</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/28/5412/comment-page-1#comment-20868</link>
		<dc:creator>Mombian &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Political Roundup: Halloween Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kincaid of Box Turtle Bulletin quotes Douglas NeJaime, the Sears Law Teaching Fellow at the Williams Institute at UCLA School of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/28/5412/comment-page-1#comment-20400</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Stefano

I knew our readers would have good sources</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Stefano</p>
<p>I knew our readers would have good sources</p>
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		<title>By: Stefano A</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/28/5412/comment-page-1#comment-20347</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefano A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, if you prefer a non-gay media source, NPR also refers to them as a &quot;Mormon couple&quot;

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96032318</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, if you prefer a non-gay media source, NPR also refers to them as a &#8220;Mormon couple&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96032318" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96032318</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stefano A</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/28/5412/comment-page-1#comment-20345</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefano A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t watched this video from the Yes on 8 web site &quot;Robb and Robin Wirthlin&#039;s Story&quot; http://www.protectmarriage.com/video/view/6

So I don&#039;t know if they mention being Mormon in it or just rehash their gripe about the case they lost. Someone with more time and patience with Yes on 8 than I do might review the vid and let us know.

(On dial up, I don&#039;t have the patience to wait on the vid.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t watched this video from the Yes on 8 web site &#8220;Robb and Robin Wirthlin&#8217;s Story&#8221; <a href="http://www.protectmarriage.com/video/view/6" rel="nofollow">http://www.protectmarriage.com/video/view/6</a></p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t know if they mention being Mormon in it or just rehash their gripe about the case they lost. Someone with more time and patience with Yes on 8 than I do might review the vid and let us know.</p>
<p>(On dial up, I don&#8217;t have the patience to wait on the vid.)</p>
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		<title>By: Stefano A</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/28/5412/comment-page-1#comment-20339</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefano A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;... The Wirthlins lost their legal battle - the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the case, letting the lower court ruling stand - but they are far from losing the war. They are part of the out-of-state effort by the Mormon Church, whose members have contributed millions of dollars to the Yes on 8 war chest, to pass Prop 8.

&lt;B&gt;Chip White, a spokesman for Yes on 8, confirmed that the Wirthlins are members of the Mormon Church.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Source:
The Bay Area Reporter
Dan Aiello
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&amp;article=3414&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mass. couple 
pushes Prop 8&lt;/a&gt;

Just as an aside from the same article:

BTW: The &lt;i&gt;Bay Area Reporter&lt;/i&gt; quotes 

&lt;blockquote&gt;...In what one reporter described as &quot;The Battle of Lexington,&quot; Meg Soens, a lesbian parent, and Pam Hoffman, who is straight, formed their own organization, Lexington Cares, to counter the anti-gay marriage organization Mass Resistance and the Massachusetts Family Institute that elicited sympathy and support for the Wirthlins with public vigils.

Mass Resistance is a &quot;radical organization,&quot; according to Hoffman, noting that it would list private correspondence between the school and the Wirthlins. The women charged that Mass Resistance was a loosely organized group with a web site set up by conservative actvist Brian Camenker.

&quot;Robin did not necessarily agree with the tactics of Mass Resistance,&quot; said Soens. &quot;I told her if she didn&#039;t agree with them then she should have them take down the transcripts and private e-mails sent to the Wirthlins.&quot; &lt;b&gt;Soens said the e-mails were removed from the site a few days later.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The emails &lt;i&gt;were not&lt;/i&gt; removed:
see: http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/king_and_king/emails.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230; The Wirthlins lost their legal battle &#8211; the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the case, letting the lower court ruling stand &#8211; but they are far from losing the war. They are part of the out-of-state effort by the Mormon Church, whose members have contributed millions of dollars to the Yes on 8 war chest, to pass Prop 8.</p>
<p><b>Chip White, a spokesman for Yes on 8, confirmed that the Wirthlins are members of the Mormon Church.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Source:<br />
The Bay Area Reporter<br />
Dan Aiello<br />
<a href="http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&amp;article=3414" rel="nofollow">Mass. couple<br />
pushes Prop 8</a></p>
<p>Just as an aside from the same article:</p>
<p>BTW: The <i>Bay Area Reporter</i> quotes </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;In what one reporter described as &#8220;The Battle of Lexington,&#8221; Meg Soens, a lesbian parent, and Pam Hoffman, who is straight, formed their own organization, Lexington Cares, to counter the anti-gay marriage organization Mass Resistance and the Massachusetts Family Institute that elicited sympathy and support for the Wirthlins with public vigils.</p>
<p>Mass Resistance is a &#8220;radical organization,&#8221; according to Hoffman, noting that it would list private correspondence between the school and the Wirthlins. The women charged that Mass Resistance was a loosely organized group with a web site set up by conservative actvist Brian Camenker.</p>
<p>&#8220;Robin did not necessarily agree with the tactics of Mass Resistance,&#8221; said Soens. &#8220;I told her if she didn&#8217;t agree with them then she should have them take down the transcripts and private e-mails sent to the Wirthlins.&#8221; <b>Soens said the e-mails were removed from the site a few days later.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>The emails <i>were not</i> removed:<br />
see: <a href="http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/king_and_king/emails.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/king_and_king/emails.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Louie</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/28/5412/comment-page-1#comment-20337</link>
		<dc:creator>Louie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found this one:
RICHARD WIRTHLIN &#124; $9,000 &#124; CANYON COUNTRY &#124; CA &#124; 91387 &#124; LATHAM &amp; WATKINS &#124; Support

I find it ironic that the law firm that this particular &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lw.com/Search.aspx?page=Search&amp;searchText=wirthlin&amp;globalsearchtype=8191&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mr. Wirthlin&lt;/a&gt; works for, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lw.com/AboutLatham.aspx?page=Diversity&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Latham &amp; Watkins,&lt;/a&gt; extols its values on diversity and yet he works for them?

&lt;b&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://noonprop8.com/home/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;California - Vote &quot;NO&quot; on Prop. 8!&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://votenoprop102.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arizona - Vote &quot;NO&quot; on Prop. 102! AGAIN!&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sayno2.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Florida - Vote &quot;NO&quot; on Amendment 2!&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ctvoteno.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Connecticut - Vote &quot;NO&quot; on Question 1!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found this one:<br />
RICHARD WIRTHLIN | $9,000 | CANYON COUNTRY | CA | 91387 | LATHAM &amp; WATKINS | Support</p>
<p>I find it ironic that the law firm that this particular <a href="http://www.lw.com/Search.aspx?page=Search&amp;searchText=wirthlin&amp;globalsearchtype=8191" rel="nofollow">Mr. Wirthlin</a> works for, <a href="http://www.lw.com/AboutLatham.aspx?page=Diversity" rel="nofollow">Latham &amp; Watkins,</a> extols its values on diversity and yet he works for them?</p>
<p><b><br />
<a href="http://noonprop8.com/home/" rel="nofollow">California &#8211; Vote &#8220;NO&#8221; on Prop. 8!</a><br />
<a href="http://votenoprop102.com/" rel="nofollow">Arizona &#8211; Vote &#8220;NO&#8221; on Prop. 102! AGAIN!</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sayno2.com/" rel="nofollow">Florida &#8211; Vote &#8220;NO&#8221; on Amendment 2!</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ctvoteno.org/" rel="nofollow">Connecticut &#8211; Vote &#8220;NO&#8221; on Question 1!</a></b></p>
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		<title>By: tavdy79</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/28/5412/comment-page-1#comment-20327</link>
		<dc:creator>tavdy79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe some of the Wirthlins are involved in CA&#039;s &quot;Yes on 8&quot; campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe some of the Wirthlins are involved in CA&#8217;s &#8220;Yes on 8&#8243; campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/28/5412/comment-page-1#comment-20325</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK... do you have a link for the Wirthlins?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230; do you have a link for the Wirthlins?</p>
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		<title>By: johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/28/5412/comment-page-1#comment-20321</link>
		<dc:creator>johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was the Wirthlins, the other family in Mass involved in the King and King controversy.  My apologies for the mixup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the Wirthlins, the other family in Mass involved in the King and King controversy.  My apologies for the mixup.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/28/5412/comment-page-1#comment-20312</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>johnson,

I wasn&#039;t aware that the Parkers are LDS.  Can you please provide a link?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johnson,</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t aware that the Parkers are LDS.  Can you please provide a link?</p>
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