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	<title>Comments on: Yes on 8&#8242;s Appeal to Bigotry</title>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and as per usual, the Yes on 8 crowd doesn&#039;t allow comments on their video.
They don&#039;t want anyone pointing out the flaws in their arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and as per usual, the Yes on 8 crowd doesn&#8217;t allow comments on their video.<br />
They don&#8217;t want anyone pointing out the flaws in their arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 06:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen nothing but the promotion of fear from &quot;the other side&quot; in the last couple of weeks.   I should wish that this country would rise above its fears concerning our own citizens for this election; and eventually overcome them completely.   But I fear.... that is rather naive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen nothing but the promotion of fear from &#8220;the other side&#8221; in the last couple of weeks.   I should wish that this country would rise above its fears concerning our own citizens for this election; and eventually overcome them completely.   But I fear&#8230;. that is rather naive.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/10/30/5576/comment-page-1#comment-20669</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher,

You are correct.  That is just a lie.

They would like the voters to think that these are local judges with &quot;San Francisco values&quot; rather than the State Supreme Court.  That the Court meets in San Francisco does not in any way make them &quot;San Francisco judges&quot;.


But it isn&#039;t too surprising.  ALL of the Yes on 8 positions are build on lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher,</p>
<p>You are correct.  That is just a lie.</p>
<p>They would like the voters to think that these are local judges with &#8220;San Francisco values&#8221; rather than the State Supreme Court.  That the Court meets in San Francisco does not in any way make them &#8220;San Francisco judges&#8221;.</p>
<p>But it isn&#8217;t too surprising.  ALL of the Yes on 8 positions are build on lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher™</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what&#039;s this about &quot;San Francisco judges&quot;?  I highly doubt the four judges on the CA Supreme Court came from San Francisco.

Did they?  Not that it matters, but I&#039;m curious.  I&#039;m assuming it&#039;s just another lie from Yes on 8, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what&#8217;s this about &#8220;San Francisco judges&#8221;?  I highly doubt the four judges on the CA Supreme Court came from San Francisco.</p>
<p>Did they?  Not that it matters, but I&#8217;m curious.  I&#8217;m assuming it&#8217;s just another lie from Yes on 8, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Tavdy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tavdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louie, perhaps they meant the form of marriage practised by Abraham and other other great Patriarchs - where women were bought and sold; where their existence was primarily as breeding stock to provide heirs, servants and slaves; where women were used as sexual toys by their owners. You know, the good old bad old days before all this equality of the sexes nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louie, perhaps they meant the form of marriage practised by Abraham and other other great Patriarchs &#8211; where women were bought and sold; where their existence was primarily as breeding stock to provide heirs, servants and slaves; where women were used as sexual toys by their owners. You know, the good old bad old days before all this equality of the sexes nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just reeks of desperation.

This will not win over any undecideds.  It&#039;s not compelling at all.  If any remaining undecided voters really think about gay marriage, they will realize that it won&#039;t harm them in any way.  I would think that the Yes on 8 side would not want people to think too much.

Oh, and doesn&#039;t the guy standing in the office (&quot;Why it was forced on us by San Francisco judges...&quot;) seem a little bit lispy?

I&#039;m surprised that they haven&#039;t resorted to images of two leather bears in buttless chaps, or two dykes on bikes with their breasts hanging out, or flamboyant drag queens, with the line &quot;Do you want marriage turned into this???&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just reeks of desperation.</p>
<p>This will not win over any undecideds.  It&#8217;s not compelling at all.  If any remaining undecided voters really think about gay marriage, they will realize that it won&#8217;t harm them in any way.  I would think that the Yes on 8 side would not want people to think too much.</p>
<p>Oh, and doesn&#8217;t the guy standing in the office (&#8220;Why it was forced on us by San Francisco judges&#8230;&#8221;) seem a little bit lispy?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised that they haven&#8217;t resorted to images of two leather bears in buttless chaps, or two dykes on bikes with their breasts hanging out, or flamboyant drag queens, with the line &#8220;Do you want marriage turned into this???&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Louie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJD wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Did you hear about the rally where one of the leaders of the campaign compared the fight against same-sex marriage to the fight against Hitler?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Here&#039;s the link to that video:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6ddOODw9Rg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Prop 8 spokesman says defeating same-sex marriage is like defeating Hitler&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://noonprop8.com/home/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;California - Vote &quot;NO&quot; on Prop. 8!&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://votenoprop102.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arizona - Vote &quot;NO&quot; on Prop. 102! AGAIN!&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sayno2.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Florida - Vote &quot;NO&quot; on Amendment 2!&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ctvoteno.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Connecticut - Vote &quot;NO&quot; on Question 1!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJD wrote:</p>
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Did you hear about the rally where one of the leaders of the campaign compared the fight against same-sex marriage to the fight against Hitler?
</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s the link to that video:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6ddOODw9Rg" rel="nofollow"><b>Prop 8 spokesman says defeating same-sex marriage is like defeating Hitler</b></a></p>
<p><b><br />
<a href="http://noonprop8.com/home/" rel="nofollow">California &#8211; Vote &#8220;NO&#8221; on Prop. 8!</a><br />
<a href="http://votenoprop102.com/" rel="nofollow">Arizona &#8211; Vote &#8220;NO&#8221; on Prop. 102! AGAIN!</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sayno2.com/" rel="nofollow">Florida &#8211; Vote &#8220;NO&#8221; on Amendment 2!</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ctvoteno.org/" rel="nofollow">Connecticut &#8211; Vote &#8220;NO&#8221; on Question 1!</a></b></p>
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		<title>By: a. mcewen</title>
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		<dc:creator>a. mcewen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>repeating a lie even though it has been refuted - anti-gay industry tactic number 2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>repeating a lie even though it has been refuted &#8211; anti-gay industry tactic number 2</p>
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		<title>By: AJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you hear about the rally where one of the leaders of the campaign compared the fight against same-sex marriage to the fight against Hitler?

Perhaps they should be reminded that gay people were one of the groups targeted by the Nazis for extermination. And I highly doubt many Jews would find such trivialization of Hitler&#039;s evil all that amusing.

Who are the real fascists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you hear about the rally where one of the leaders of the campaign compared the fight against same-sex marriage to the fight against Hitler?</p>
<p>Perhaps they should be reminded that gay people were one of the groups targeted by the Nazis for extermination. And I highly doubt many Jews would find such trivialization of Hitler&#8217;s evil all that amusing.</p>
<p>Who are the real fascists?</p>
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		<title>By: Louie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this latest AD quite disturbing. Especially with that little girl at the end saying &quot;To me&quot; What does that mean? That she can no longer get married by the State of California? Last I heard, straight people can and do still get married in California.

The ad finishes with:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Voting Yes restores traditional marriage.
Yes on Proposition 8.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Restores traditional marriage? Which version?

The one where the woman became the &quot;property&quot; of her husband?

The one where they were not allowed a divorce, except by death?

The one where they were not allowed to use contraception?

The one where they both had to be of the same race? I.E. white/white, black/black, asian/asian

Or the one where if you were a &quot;slave&quot; you weren&#039;t considered human and were not allowed to &quot;marry&quot; by your slave owners. So you had to &quot;jump the broom&quot; and &quot;pretend&quot; to get married in the eyes of the other slaves.

&lt;b&gt;Vote &quot;NO&quot; on Prop. 8!&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://noonprop8.com/home/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;California - Vote &quot;NO&quot; on Prop. 8!&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://votenoprop102.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arizona - Vote &quot;NO&quot; on Prop. 102! AGAIN!&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sayno2.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Florida - Vote &quot;NO&quot; on Amendment 2!&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ctvoteno.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Connecticut - Vote &quot;NO&quot; on Question 1!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this latest AD quite disturbing. Especially with that little girl at the end saying &#8220;To me&#8221; What does that mean? That she can no longer get married by the State of California? Last I heard, straight people can and do still get married in California.</p>
<p>The ad finishes with:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Voting Yes restores traditional marriage.<br />
Yes on Proposition 8.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Restores traditional marriage? Which version?</p>
<p>The one where the woman became the &#8220;property&#8221; of her husband?</p>
<p>The one where they were not allowed a divorce, except by death?</p>
<p>The one where they were not allowed to use contraception?</p>
<p>The one where they both had to be of the same race? I.E. white/white, black/black, asian/asian</p>
<p>Or the one where if you were a &#8220;slave&#8221; you weren&#8217;t considered human and were not allowed to &#8220;marry&#8221; by your slave owners. So you had to &#8220;jump the broom&#8221; and &#8220;pretend&#8221; to get married in the eyes of the other slaves.</p>
<p><b>Vote &#8220;NO&#8221; on Prop. 8!</b></p>
<p><b><br />
<a href="http://noonprop8.com/home/" rel="nofollow">California &#8211; Vote &#8220;NO&#8221; on Prop. 8!</a><br />
<a href="http://votenoprop102.com/" rel="nofollow">Arizona &#8211; Vote &#8220;NO&#8221; on Prop. 102! AGAIN!</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sayno2.com/" rel="nofollow">Florida &#8211; Vote &#8220;NO&#8221; on Amendment 2!</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ctvoteno.org/" rel="nofollow">Connecticut &#8211; Vote &#8220;NO&#8221; on Question 1!</a></b></p>
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