Comments on: Celebs Oppose Prop 8 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/03/5802 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:37:57 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: CLS http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/03/5802/comment-page-1#comment-21614 CLS Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:30:19 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=5802#comment-21614 My issue with your last post on this, and this one, is that you use words in very bad ways. If you don’t then I do disagree. There are no unchosen obligations and you say Madonna is obligated to take a position. You also say silly things such as she “had taken a good deal of moeny from me and my friends.” That is nonsense. She didn’t take anything. She offered you something you wanted and you voluntarily bought it. You got what you paid for. And then, after the fact, you are claiming she has to provide you with other things which were never stipulated at the time of the exchange. Nothing was “taken”. it was exchange. And while it would be good, and appreciated, for celebrities to stand with the gay community, they are not obligated to do so. My issue with your last post on this, and this one, is that you use words in very bad ways. If you don’t then I do disagree. There are no unchosen obligations and you say Madonna is obligated to take a position. You also say silly things such as she “had taken a good deal of moeny from me and my friends.” That is nonsense. She didn’t take anything. She offered you something you wanted and you voluntarily bought it.

You got what you paid for. And then, after the fact, you are claiming she has to provide you with other things which were never stipulated at the time of the exchange. Nothing was “taken”. it was exchange. And while it would be good, and appreciated, for celebrities to stand with the gay community, they are not obligated to do so.

]]> By: kevin http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/03/5802/comment-page-1#comment-21597 kevin Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:03:21 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=5802#comment-21597 The anti-abortion "Lifesite" is "outing" Catholics who opposed Prop 8, aka the "homosexualist cause". http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/nov/08110401.html Pretty interesting read. The anti-abortion “Lifesite” is “outing” Catholics who opposed Prop 8, aka the “homosexualist cause”.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/nov/08110401.html

Pretty interesting read.

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/03/5802/comment-page-1#comment-21569 Timothy Kincaid Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:41:38 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=5802#comment-21569 Charles, No. All contributions are required to be reported. Charles,

No. All contributions are required to be reported.

]]> By: Charles Lanigan http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/03/5802/comment-page-1#comment-21542 Charles Lanigan Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:58:55 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=5802#comment-21542 Could she have given but just kept it private? Could she have given but just kept it private?

]]> By: Keith http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/03/5802/comment-page-1#comment-21428 Keith Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:35:05 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=5802#comment-21428 In one sense, I totally agree with you about celebrities whose bread is buttered by the LGBT community. On the other hand, they also have to be cautious about where/who their money goes to. You want to ensure that the money is used for its intended purpose. Personally, I like the way Ellen handled it. She put up her own money to produce a YouTube video and spoke out against Prop. 8 on her show. To me, not only did she reach a larger audience, but targeted an entire group of people (her audience) that might not otherwise have given it consideration. Madonna, with all her wealth could have figured something out...after all that's what a good publicist is for. In one sense, I totally agree with you about celebrities whose bread is buttered by the LGBT community. On the other hand, they also have to be cautious about where/who their money goes to. You want to ensure that the money is used for its intended purpose.

Personally, I like the way Ellen handled it. She put up her own money to produce a YouTube video and spoke out against Prop. 8 on her show. To me, not only did she reach a larger audience, but targeted an entire group of people (her audience) that might not otherwise have given it consideration.

Madonna, with all her wealth could have figured something out…after all that’s what a good publicist is for.

]]> By: AJD http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/03/5802/comment-page-1#comment-21426 AJD Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:27:25 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=5802#comment-21426 I agreed at the time that Madonna should have stepped up to help (and I still think she needs to do more -- with her wealth, she could have afforded to hold a benefit show and rake in a ton of money), and I could definitely see the logic of not attending her concert. However, I just didn't think that sending a "guilt trip" letter was wise. I've worked for non-profits before, and my partner works for one as well, and I know that the carrot tends to be more effective than the stick when requesting money from wealthy donors, no matter how strongly you think they should donate. I agreed at the time that Madonna should have stepped up to help (and I still think she needs to do more — with her wealth, she could have afforded to hold a benefit show and rake in a ton of money), and I could definitely see the logic of not attending her concert. However, I just didn’t think that sending a “guilt trip” letter was wise. I’ve worked for non-profits before, and my partner works for one as well, and I know that the carrot tends to be more effective than the stick when requesting money from wealthy donors, no matter how strongly you think they should donate.

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