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	<title>Comments on: Patronizing B.S., Part 2.</title>
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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted this on Chambers&#039; blog.
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&lt;b&gt;Alan Chambers:   &lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;And, while I am thrilled with the vote in support of keeping marriage the way God intends it, I am truly heavy in heart for the men and women who saw same-sex marriage as an answer to their struggle for acceptance.  I do not take any joy in seeing people’s dreams or hearts crushed even if I disagree with them.  &lt;/i&gt;

Where do not our most basic of human rights lie if not in the love expressed in our dreams and aspirations?   So you have just celebrated the suppression of persons real, human, inalienable rights.   But....

&lt;b&gt;Alan Chambers:   &lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;Finally, and again, I am choosing to see the outcome of this election in a non-hopeless light and with the absolute belief that America is, though possibly hanging by a thread.... &lt;/i&gt;

SNAP!!   Proposition 8 was doomed to fail from the beginning.    In an interview in the German magazine &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,561460,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Speigel&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;   The Republican-appointed CA Supreme Court Justice Ronald George said the following (Via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2008/11/ronald-redux-lo.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Good As You&lt;/a&gt;):

&quot;&lt;i&gt;If this amendment to the constitution passes, it would prevent gay people from being married, but it would not remove this protection that we put in our analysis. ... We&#039;re saying that if you look at a classification of gay people, you must treat it just as if you are classifying on the basis of the color of their skin or their religion. And that is probably the most important thing in the whole ruling, even though the population&#039;s attention understandably has mostly been on the &quot;M word&quot; of marriage.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Courts will often not comment on amendments offered up for popular vote, often hoping that that vote will simply go the &quot;right way.&quot;   But the Court when prompted, and it will be prompted in several suits, will rule on such amendments.   George is saying that the only way to rule on Prop 8 is to strike it down as unconstitutional.

Sorry..... you lost (Alan).   And just think all that Mormon and Focus on the Family money that went into Prop 8, spent meaninglessly.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this on Chambers&#8217; blog.<br />
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<p><b>Alan Chambers:   </b> <i>And, while I am thrilled with the vote in support of keeping marriage the way God intends it, I am truly heavy in heart for the men and women who saw same-sex marriage as an answer to their struggle for acceptance.  I do not take any joy in seeing people’s dreams or hearts crushed even if I disagree with them.  </i></p>
<p>Where do not our most basic of human rights lie if not in the love expressed in our dreams and aspirations?   So you have just celebrated the suppression of persons real, human, inalienable rights.   But&#8230;.</p>
<p><b>Alan Chambers:   </b> <i>Finally, and again, I am choosing to see the outcome of this election in a non-hopeless light and with the absolute belief that America is, though possibly hanging by a thread&#8230;. </i></p>
<p>SNAP!!   Proposition 8 was doomed to fail from the beginning.    In an interview in the German magazine <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,561460,00.html" rel="nofollow"><i>Speigel</i></a>   The Republican-appointed CA Supreme Court Justice Ronald George said the following (Via <a href="http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2008/11/ronald-redux-lo.html" rel="nofollow">Good As You</a>):</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>If this amendment to the constitution passes, it would prevent gay people from being married, but it would not remove this protection that we put in our analysis. &#8230; We&#8217;re saying that if you look at a classification of gay people, you must treat it just as if you are classifying on the basis of the color of their skin or their religion. And that is probably the most important thing in the whole ruling, even though the population&#8217;s attention understandably has mostly been on the &#8220;M word&#8221; of marriage.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Courts will often not comment on amendments offered up for popular vote, often hoping that that vote will simply go the &#8220;right way.&#8221;   But the Court when prompted, and it will be prompted in several suits, will rule on such amendments.   George is saying that the only way to rule on Prop 8 is to strike it down as unconstitutional.</p>
<p>Sorry&#8230;.. you lost (Alan).   And just think all that Mormon and Focus on the Family money that went into Prop 8, spent meaninglessly&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/06/5945/comment-page-1#comment-22069</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel,

No.  The 27% identifies as gay.</description>
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<p>No.  The 27% identifies as gay.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/06/5945/comment-page-1#comment-22065</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does ex-gay go under the 27% of gays that sided with McCain?

Like werdna, this is definately not that suprising. The only expression that made me say.. WTF... was the  &#039;omg im so emotional part because gays still dont have equal rights&#039;.  Lay off the bible for a while and stop loving god so much, its a burden to those around you.  Oh wait... i AM evil, so hurting THAT is a good thing.  Congratulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does ex-gay go under the 27% of gays that sided with McCain?</p>
<p>Like werdna, this is definately not that suprising. The only expression that made me say.. WTF&#8230; was the  &#8216;omg im so emotional part because gays still dont have equal rights&#8217;.  Lay off the bible for a while and stop loving god so much, its a burden to those around you.  Oh wait&#8230; i AM evil, so hurting THAT is a good thing.  Congratulations.</p>
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		<title>By: werdna</title>
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		<dc:creator>werdna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not surprising but still disgusting.</description>
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		<title>By: Willie Hewes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willie Hewes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He wants to comfort us?

Awww, you poor baby, did someone stick a knife in your back? I&#039;m sorry, I bet that really hurt, too...

I don&#039;t swear a lot, even virtually, but I have no better words. 

FUCK you, Alan Chambers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He wants to comfort us?</p>
<p>Awww, you poor baby, did someone stick a knife in your back? I&#8217;m sorry, I bet that really hurt, too&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t swear a lot, even virtually, but I have no better words. </p>
<p>FUCK you, Alan Chambers.</p>
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