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	<title>Comments on: LDS Church Can&#8217;t Hide Behind A Temple</title>
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		<title>By: The Gideonse Bible &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Because it bears repeating: &#8220;The top 10 reasons why Prop 8 passed&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/08/5985/comment-page-2#comment-41291</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gideonse Bible &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Because it bears repeating: &#8220;The top 10 reasons why Prop 8 passed&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 17:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that gay people are treated equal under the law? Paid for by Mormons. And now the LDS Church is complaining that they are being targeted by gay activists. Oh, cry me a river. You reap what you [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/08/5985/comment-page-2#comment-26629</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jake,

Kindly point out how this site hides behind &quot;tolerance&quot;.

Here at Box Turtle Bulletin we don&#039;t believe that all opinions are equal or that every &quot;belief&quot; should be &quot;tolerated&quot; - whatever that means.  As I&#039;ve said before, we need not tolerate intolerance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jake,</p>
<p>Kindly point out how this site hides behind &#8220;tolerance&#8221;.</p>
<p>Here at Box Turtle Bulletin we don&#8217;t believe that all opinions are equal or that every &#8220;belief&#8221; should be &#8220;tolerated&#8221; &#8211; whatever that means.  As I&#8217;ve said before, we need not tolerate intolerance.</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/08/5985/comment-page-2#comment-26626</link>
		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If mormons can&#039;t hide behind a temple then you can&#039;t hide behind &quot;tolerance&quot; You are offensive to me and as I am offensive to you. I wish for my beliefs to be tolerated just as you wish for yours. So how will we see who will provail? Let&#039;s take a vote and see what the people decide. Done.Now stop writing your offensive and hateful things about Latter day saints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If mormons can&#8217;t hide behind a temple then you can&#8217;t hide behind &#8220;tolerance&#8221; You are offensive to me and as I am offensive to you. I wish for my beliefs to be tolerated just as you wish for yours. So how will we see who will provail? Let&#8217;s take a vote and see what the people decide. Done.Now stop writing your offensive and hateful things about Latter day saints.</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/08/5985/comment-page-2#comment-26395</link>
		<dc:creator>David C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the thing that needs silencing is the lies.  Whatever side of the question you find yourself on, at least have the common decency to tell the truth plainly.

“Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.”
--Daniel Patrick Moynihan, sociologist and politician

For Christians, silencing the lies at least means &lt;b&gt;do not bear false witness&lt;b&gt;, which is a specific commandment.  The overdue realization for Christians as they participate in the political system is that &quot;belief&quot; is not the same as fact, and rarely is belief an acceptable substitute for &quot;truth&quot; when battling in the political arena, or bargaining in any other marketplace of ideas.

For everybody engaged in this debate, the truth will stand the test of time, which will in the long run be more helpful to the advancement of society and the common good.

For every Christian follower or leader complaining about the beating they are taking here, elsewhere on the internet, or in the press, I&#039;ll borrow from another statesman for my advice:

&quot;If you can&#039;t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.&quot;
--Harry Truman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the thing that needs silencing is the lies.  Whatever side of the question you find yourself on, at least have the common decency to tell the truth plainly.</p>
<p>“Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.”<br />
&#8211;Daniel Patrick Moynihan, sociologist and politician</p>
<p>For Christians, silencing the lies at least means <b>do not bear false witness</b><b>, which is a specific commandment.  The overdue realization for Christians as they participate in the political system is that &#8220;belief&#8221; is not the same as fact, and rarely is belief an acceptable substitute for &#8220;truth&#8221; when battling in the political arena, or bargaining in any other marketplace of ideas.</p>
<p>For everybody engaged in this debate, the truth will stand the test of time, which will in the long run be more helpful to the advancement of society and the common good.</p>
<p>For every Christian follower or leader complaining about the beating they are taking here, elsewhere on the internet, or in the press, I&#8217;ll borrow from another statesman for my advice:</p>
<p>&#8220;If you can&#8217;t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Harry Truman</b></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/08/5985/comment-page-2#comment-26388</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex T

Nobody is silencing the Mormons.  In fact, they have made it clear that they will continue their hateful campaign against gay people.

What we aren&#039;t going to do is give them a free pass.  Their hate is under the microscope right now and is going to stay there.  Nobody likes to be called on their lies and anti-gay campaigns.  This negative publicity may actually discourage others from being drawn into the ambitious political web the LDS are trying to weave from Utah out through the rest of the country. Let freedom (and free speech) ring!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex T</p>
<p>Nobody is silencing the Mormons.  In fact, they have made it clear that they will continue their hateful campaign against gay people.</p>
<p>What we aren&#8217;t going to do is give them a free pass.  Their hate is under the microscope right now and is going to stay there.  Nobody likes to be called on their lies and anti-gay campaigns.  This negative publicity may actually discourage others from being drawn into the ambitious political web the LDS are trying to weave from Utah out through the rest of the country. Let freedom (and free speech) ring!!!</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AlexT and indirectly to Mr. Oaks:  re: “to silence them by apply labels like “homophobic”

Yeah..trying to silence the LDS Church.  Which has: 

1)	Tried (indirectly through its members) to silence the Straight-Gay Alliance Clubs in Utah schools.  You’ll remember the fracas this caused some years ago.   
2)	Owns a part of every major media in strategic parts of the country (i.e.: &lt;b&gt;Bonneville International&lt;/b&gt;.  Just &lt;i&gt;Google&lt;/i&gt; and see the breadth of coverage by the Mormon Church: (L.A., Chicago, Wash. D.C., Seattle, Phoenix, St. Louis, Cincinnati, and SLC)   
3)	Larry H. Miller (a Mormon) owns a long list of theaters and TV stations.  (He was the one that censored &lt;i&gt;Brokeback Mountain&lt;/i&gt; from being shown in his theaters. 
4)	The vast satellite network owned by the Mormon Church to broadcast to each and every Ward and Stake House in the WORLD;  any church or broadcasting network would envy.   


Let’s talk about who is silencing whom?  And in my dictionary, the very actions of the LDS Church is highly anti-gay and with the actions of its members as examples, I would say the Mormons are very homophobic.

We will see how the LDS Church and its cache of lawyers work their propaganda organ in January to see just how non-homophobic they are when it comes to saying they are for civil rights for gays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AlexT and indirectly to Mr. Oaks:  re: “to silence them by apply labels like “homophobic”</p>
<p>Yeah..trying to silence the LDS Church.  Which has: </p>
<p>1)	Tried (indirectly through its members) to silence the Straight-Gay Alliance Clubs in Utah schools.  You’ll remember the fracas this caused some years ago.<br />
2)	Owns a part of every major media in strategic parts of the country (i.e.: <b>Bonneville International</b>.  Just <i>Google</i> and see the breadth of coverage by the Mormon Church: (L.A., Chicago, Wash. D.C., Seattle, Phoenix, St. Louis, Cincinnati, and SLC)<br />
3)	Larry H. Miller (a Mormon) owns a long list of theaters and TV stations.  (He was the one that censored <i>Brokeback Mountain</i> from being shown in his theaters.<br />
4)	The vast satellite network owned by the Mormon Church to broadcast to each and every Ward and Stake House in the WORLD;  any church or broadcasting network would envy.   </p>
<p>Let’s talk about who is silencing whom?  And in my dictionary, the very actions of the LDS Church is highly anti-gay and with the actions of its members as examples, I would say the Mormons are very homophobic.</p>
<p>We will see how the LDS Church and its cache of lawyers work their propaganda organ in January to see just how non-homophobic they are when it comes to saying they are for civil rights for gays.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexT</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/11/08/5985/comment-page-2#comment-26365</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears the greatest degree of hate and bigotry has been on the part of the proponents for gay marriage against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its members. The teachings of the Church are not at all hidden, they are accessible to anyone who cares to discover for themselves what we truly believe, rather than rely on the news media&#039;s liberal interpretations:

http://mormon.org

&quot;This is much bigger than just a question of whether or not society should be more tolerant of the homosexual lifestyle. Over past years we have seen unrelenting pressure from advocates of that lifestyle to accept as normal what is not normal, and to characterize those who disagree as narrow-minded, bigoted and unreasonable. Such advocates are quick to demand freedom of speech and thought for themselves, but equally quick to criticize those with a different view and, if possible, to silence them by applying labels like &#039;homophobic.&#039;&quot; (Dallin H. Oaks)

http://yes-on-prop8.blogspot.com/

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears the greatest degree of hate and bigotry has been on the part of the proponents for gay marriage against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its members. The teachings of the Church are not at all hidden, they are accessible to anyone who cares to discover for themselves what we truly believe, rather than rely on the news media&#8217;s liberal interpretations:</p>
<p><a href="http://mormon.org" rel="nofollow">http://mormon.org</a></p>
<p>&#8220;This is much bigger than just a question of whether or not society should be more tolerant of the homosexual lifestyle. Over past years we have seen unrelenting pressure from advocates of that lifestyle to accept as normal what is not normal, and to characterize those who disagree as narrow-minded, bigoted and unreasonable. Such advocates are quick to demand freedom of speech and thought for themselves, but equally quick to criticize those with a different view and, if possible, to silence them by applying labels like &#8216;homophobic.&#8217;&#8221; (Dallin H. Oaks)</p>
<p><a href="http://yes-on-prop8.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://yes-on-prop8.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s remember here that marriage is a states right, according to the US Constitution. California has passed this act 3 times now and Arizona has passed it 2 times. The voice of the people have been heard several times now on this matter. Also, when you mention how wrong it is to vote on civil rights, don&#039;t forget about the constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms, that is voted on more often then Gay marriage, and is not a states right. Anyway, The LDS church, as does any church, has the right to voice political opinions on issues. You can&#039;t remove free speech, just because they are a religious entity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s remember here that marriage is a states right, according to the US Constitution. California has passed this act 3 times now and Arizona has passed it 2 times. The voice of the people have been heard several times now on this matter. Also, when you mention how wrong it is to vote on civil rights, don&#8217;t forget about the constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms, that is voted on more often then Gay marriage, and is not a states right. Anyway, The LDS church, as does any church, has the right to voice political opinions on issues. You can&#8217;t remove free speech, just because they are a religious entity.</p>
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		<title>By: Dani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the reason that I am no longer a Mormon.  It makes me sick to know that I was once a part of this hypocritical religion.  I am a straight woman who will be forever grateful that I learned to think for myself and realized that the prophet is full of it!  Hypocritical and judgmental is not the way ANY Christian should behave!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the reason that I am no longer a Mormon.  It makes me sick to know that I was once a part of this hypocritical religion.  I am a straight woman who will be forever grateful that I learned to think for myself and realized that the prophet is full of it!  Hypocritical and judgmental is not the way ANY Christian should behave!</p>
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		<title>By: The top 10 reasons why Prop 8 passed at The Gideonse Bible</title>
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		<dc:creator>The top 10 reasons why Prop 8 passed at The Gideonse Bible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 02:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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